Games where evil triumphs?

[Zekkyou]

Ka-pi96 said:

Zekkyou said:

I don't think evil really triumphed at the end of TLOU.

 

What Joel did was awful, but he didn't do it out of malice. Instead he was fueled by a warped need to protect Ellie above everything else, a need the game did a good job of setting up. Would make for great discussion though. Is evil in the action or the motivation? 

You think what Joel did was awful? I thought he was the good guy! The fireflies showed themselves to be the evil ones with Joel's fight against them showing his humanity.

He chose to save her over a chance to save the world, and killed multiple innocent people in the process (such as the surgeon). The fireflies couldn't be considered entirely good, but their intentions were. He then lied to Ellie about it, knowing that she'd have rather died if there was a chance it could help. I think that's all pretty awful. 

That said, the game did leave me feeling the same way as you, which shows how good a job they did of justifying his actions. He lost his daughter to those who were supposed to protect, and spent decades surviving it a broken world that couldn't care less about him. Then, when he finally finds someone to fill to space left by what he'd lost, he's asked to give them up. Bugger the world, i'll take Ellie :p