WolfpackN64 said:
sc94597 said:
WolfpackN64 said:
sc94597 said:
WolfpackN64 said:
sc94597 said:
WolfpackN64 said:
I consider myself a contemporary marxist, my views have already transcended the triangle ^^ |
Marx's views fit fine on this triangle. They're mostly in the red area. The communist manifesto outlines his and Engels views well enough. They believed that a totalitarian state by the proleriat was necessary to remove hierarchies and then that state would wither away out of not being a necessity (as social culture would change.)
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That's my point, I adhere to a more modern interpretation of Marx theories, excluding the dictatorship of the proletariat and the 'utopia' afterwards.
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Then why call yourself a Marxist? You're just a social democrat/democratic socialist then. That would be somewhere around where the Greens are. Marx did two things really. He analyzed how the world was and then made predictions about how the world might and should change. You can agree with his assessment of the world while still disagreeing about how it might/should change(which you seem to do.)
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Because the Social Democrats and the Greens are still way to soft on the left side for what I would describe myself as. No serious contemporary Marxist talks about the 'dictatorship of the proletariat' anymore, but that doesn't make us Social Dems
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Then you're a little bit more left than the greens/social democrats on the triangle. I mean, what ideas do you have that aren't ecompassed by the spectrum? Also almost all of marx's theory of socialism relies on a dictatorial state to transition from capitalism to communism. I don't see how one can call themselves a marxist without believing this.
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That's not at all true, The dictatorship of the proletariat was a theaory of Marx, most of his theories of political and economical nature have nothing to do with it. The dictatorship of the proleatriat didn't plan out, but that doesn't mean we throw out the the child with the bathwater.
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The communist manifesto implies otherwise.. Almost everything Marx explained should be done to move on the path towards communism required an authoritarian state to mandate. Here is an interesting article by a marxist on it.
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/ollman/docs/marxs_vision.php
1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state. Exclusive monopoly
6. Centralization of communication and transportation.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state.
8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country
10. State education
I bolded the ones we have in our current governments. The italicized are seen as authoritarian in our current societies. Everything else Marx talked about, such as LTV and explotation theory existed before Marx and Engels (see: Proudhon and other socialists/mutualists.)
