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Bfriedli on 16 February 2015
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curl-6 said:
Bfriedli said:

Problem is, your choice doesn't just affect you. By not vaccinating, you're enforcing the consequences of your choice on other people's kids, putting them in danger as well. Every person that doesn't vaccinate lowers herd immunity, potentially placing millions of people at risk should it fall low enough.

And the mortality rate for Measles is waaaay more than "0.000015%", it was measured at 0.3%, or 3 in every 1000 victims, in the USA between 1987 and 2000. http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S4.full

As for whooping cough, it kills 5 in every 1000 infected infants. http://ideas.health.vic.gov.au/bluebook/pertussis.asp

And those are the figures for first world countries; in the third world it's vastly worse.

And once again, autism and vaccines are not linked: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X14006367


Sorry My numbers are usa based and no one in the USA has died from meassles in the last 10 years but over 100 meassles vacine deaths.  http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/zero-u-s-measles-deaths-in-10-years-but-over-100-measles-vaccine-deaths-reported/

Also Iam not comparing if you have and die from it, it's actualy getting it and dieing from it.  There has been around 100 deaths a year in the USA from getting a diesease with a vacine with 320,000,000 that's 1 in 3,200,000 people. 

Millions at risk?  What about car accidents?  There's more car accidents in the USA then getting a vacinable disease.  Should we ban driving?  It puts more at risk. Do you go to work sick or to the store to get meds?  That's puting people at risk too.  You can't stop all risks.   Heard imunity?  Aren't Vacines supose to keep you from getting the diesease?  The ones that do get it are all the unvaccinated ones anyways right?  Have you heard about the overuse of antibotics.  From it now antibotics are not working when they used too because it mutated to survive and adapte.  There already seeing it happend in vacinable diseases because of vacines.  

Also high levels of Aluminum are linked to nurologicaly damage including autism.  They already started fading out amounts of mercury for the same reasons. I already gave you a link to the FDA site showing adverse effects and autism being one of them, so if it's "scientificly proven" why is it still there?  Here's another link about research on aluminum and autsim.  

http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/14/11/2227/pdf

Also like I said don't judge something you don't understand.  I never said I haven't vaccinated my kids you just assumed.  I can still vacinate but choice what to and what not to.  I also have many friends that fully vacinate and don't at all and partail do.  Suport all of them in there decissions and don't try and persuade them one way or the other.  It's there choice.  

Now if there's a severe deadly true outbreak ( not a extremly small amount of people with no deaths) I would defently get that vacine if I didn't already have that one after researching the one with lesser of the dangerous chemicals. 

There is no link, it's been proven in a study of over a million children: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X14006367

As was previously stated...

Children that develop autism and those that don't were both vaccinated to the same frequency:

 http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/113/2/259

That taking thimerosal out of vaccines which many blamed for autism had no effect on the rates of autism in those areas:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18180424

As for aluminium, please, babies recieve more of that from breast milk than from vaccines, and vastly more from formula:

http://vec.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-safety/vaccine-ingredients/aluminum.html

If it really causes so much damage, babies raised on formula would be dead.

 

Do you understand how herd immunity works? The only reason Measles isn't rampant in the US, and other developed nations, is because of high vaccination coverage. If we let the vaccination rate drop, epidemics will break out, and thousands would die. That would be vastly worse than the side effects of vaccines.

People who have compromised immune systems, pre-existing conditions, are pregnant, or below a certain age can't take certain vaccines. Plus, as with all medicines, a small minority of those who recieve a vaccine don't gain lasting immunity. These people are only safe if the people around them are vaccinated an cannot serve as carriers. If people choose not to vaccinate, their children become hosts for spreading potentially deadly and crippling diseases, and other people's innocent kids pay the price.

People who don't vaccinate aren't just making a choice for themselves, that's the problem; they are choosing to put the rest of society in danger. It's like saying people should be able to drink drive cos it only affects their driving. The safety of society at large is more important than one's personal beliefs.

Understand the heard part but this is about small amout of people's choice not eleminating vacines.  If they made them safer and more spread out Id would feel differnt then I do.

Again millions at risk???? There has been in the USA around 11,000 deaths from a preventable disease in the last 65 years.  Around 2/3 being 62, 63, 64 & 65 years ago. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases-deaths.pdf  

Again way way more die from other reasons, why force small amount to do something they don't feal that's a right choice for there family?  Go after more dangerous things.  

Heres that link again from the FDA and like I said why even list autism as adverse effect if it's "scienticly proven" not to, why list it?  http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM101580.pdf.  Did you read the other "scientific study" showing aluminum can cause autsim and other nurologicaly damage.  http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/14/11/2227/pdf

Theres too much articles that are both sides for comfort. One saying no others saying yes. I do believe most vacines are ment to be good, they just need to try and make them safer.  Why not? Then there shouldn't  be much controversy or any payouts do to severe damage or deaths.