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[Cloudman]

spemanig said:

Cloudman said:

What`s wrong with Sonic Adventure 1 and 2? I thought they were great games.

I don't really want to get into it, so this will be my only post addressing this.

Bad physics, frequent glitches, bad camera, poor animations, bad controls, poor level design, padded "gameplay variety," terrible collision detection, bad voice acting, terrible story, and the game is flat out ugly, even for it's time.

I honestly don't get how Sonic 06 can be so unnanimously hated, yet these two games get off like they're some revolution. They aren't even mediocre. They are legitimately badly made games. Maybe it's because Sonic O6's glitches made the glitches in the prior seem far less frequent by comparison? I don't know, but there is so much wrong with those games.

And it's not a 3D vs. 2D issue. Sonic can be done well in 3D; he just hasn't yet. Too many people will say that "Spemanig, you're full of it. Generations and Colors were GREAT games," but they weren't. The difference is that they weren't flat out terrible games like the Adventure games. They were mediocre, which is frankly a massive improvement. They didn't have bad physics or frequent glitches. Their cameras weren't bad. Their animations were great, their controls were... Well, still bad, but much better than SA1+2. The level design was weak, but not flat out bad like the SA games. There was no gameplay variety padding. They didn't have bad collision detection, the VA was good, and the story served the gameplay. And the games are fucking beautiful, for their time, and for years to come.

If you ask me, the 3D sections in Lost World are the closest Sonic has ever come to getting it right in 3D because it finally got the controls and level design better in many regards, and even that game is extremely mediocre. But if you look at all of the games objectively, it absolutely blows my mind that anyone can say that these games have any redeaming qualities outside of their sound track. (which I still personally think is completely out of place in a Sonic game, but at least it's a good thing that's out of place)

I think because I played it when it first came out, I didn`t really have many issues with the game, amd I really enjoyed playing it (mostly as Sonic, of course). Every other character were not as enjoyable as Sonic`s sections, but the variety was a nice shot made by Sega, except Big the Cat. I think Sonic Adventure was praised a lot because it was the first actual 3D Sonic game that, in my opinion, did well. I enjoyed blazing through Sonic`s stages at high speeds and I had little issues with the controls of the game.

I also enjoyed Sonic Adventure 2, and while the sections with Knux/Rouge and Tails/Eggman were okay (I didn`t like what they did to Tails), I thought they were alright. The running sections I think were better and I really enjoyed the grinding mechanic. I thought the stages and controls were good, like City Escape, Radical Highway, and Metal Harbor. I played thru them just fine and I liked them.

I can`t comment on Sonic 06 since I never played it  never want to due to its bad reputation, as well as other games that followed, but I think SA1 and 2 were done well, or was the right step for 3D Sonic games.

I`ve played Sonic Lost Worlds, and oddly enough, I am not so much a fan of the controls. I don`t like that there is a run button now. I must be too used to just Sonic gradually gaining speed, but I`ll try to adjust to it.

Anyways, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I was just really curious. : ) And the music is soo good! The City Escape song is one of my absolute favorite songs from SA2!