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generic-user-1 on 26 January 2015
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mai said:
generic-user-1 said:
mai said:
generic-user-1 said:

solar and windenergie work realy fine. germany hs 20%, other states have even higher rates(not not so muc heavy industrie, so the consumption is a bit different).

As I often repeat this, it works "really fine" as long as there's substantial amount of readily available and cheap (in terms of EROEI) energy, which it leeches onto. We have passed traditional peak oil somewhere in 2000s, the growth past that time has been based upon hard to excavate and pricey oils like shale, artic, tar sands etc., which will likely to peak very soon as well given current price. It's extremely unrelaistic if not naive to expect alternative energy to be a good replacement for that. Just as illustration -- Sigmar Gabriel: "Wir stehen knapp vor dem Scheitern der Energiewende".

Make yourself and the world a favour -- if you see a green energy sectarian or whoever lobbies for that crap -- punch him in the head until he gets smarter and abandons his illusions.

EE work realy fine, and they can stand totaly alone if you have enough of em, there is no big problem with having 100% EE, you can harvest the energie you need on rainy windless days on the other days, the natural gas infrastructur is big enough as buffer, and you can feed in windgas or biogas easyly. the Energiewende has no technical problems, it has political problems, because southern "germans" are stupid egoist who dont want to have the grid near their towns or windenergie in their states.

This is could be a long and tedios discsussion which is offtopic here, so I'll make this short.

I suggest to study at least EU documentation on the practical implementatioin of the "green energy" for starters. A lot could be concluded even from this rather one-sided perspective. Here's a titbit (rmb > open in a new windoe to enlarge):

Total subsidies costs:

More closer look by memeber state:

An interesting part is "support to energy demand", this is basically an exemption from sizeable part of the taxation. That begs a question, is full energy cycle is possible without that huge level of support for the greenies? Not in the current economy. I'd not mind to see another chart -- installed energy capacities per capinvestment compared to other types of energy resources.

Source: https://ec.europa.eu/energy/sites/ener/files/documents/ECOFYS%202014%20Subsidies%20and%20costs%20of%20EU%20energy_11_Nov.pdf



a lot of this support goes to oppurtunistic subventionsabusers. and this will change soon, its the way of the conservatives to abuse and discredit EEs.