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Skullwaker said:
o_O.Q said:
Skullwaker said:
You're clinging to those sales. Nobody in their right mind is trying to say that Xenoblade competes with Final Fantasy in terms of monetary value. Absolutely no one. What everyone in this thread is talking about is the quality of the game and the features that they can share to ultimately make them better. 

You can't play sales. You play games. Remember that.


and you can't play final fantasy 15 at this point either, so as i stated... how can we determine which features it lacks or does not lack in comparison to xenoblade?

it seems to me like most people who wish to downplay final fantasy are simply resorting to saying that they didn't like the last game so all future games will suck and must take features from xenoblade

my point is that this is silly since it has been demonstrated since the beginning that the design philososphy of ff 15 is different to the previous game and therefore for all we know it may even incorporate requested features better than xenoblade... we just do not know

This isn't about Final Fantasy 15 lacking somehow. I thought this thread was just referring to how Final Fantasy's previous iterations and the original XC can learn from each other moving forward with their new installments. Nobody even knows how these 2 games are going to be when they're released.

And no, your point was not that FFXV is different than past installments so it could be better than Xenoblade; you were trying to compare the sales numbers of a storied franchise to a relatively new IP that was launched at the end of the Wii's lifecycle, as if sales somehow justify their existence or their ability to be good as a game. Games aren't only good if they sell well. There are plenty of games out there that should sell much more, but don't. So please do not try to use numbers like that to knock Xenoblade down, as if that makes it a worse game.

 

"this thread was just referring to how Final Fantasy's previous iterations and the original XC can learn from each other moving forward with their new installments"

my point is that many of the comments i've seen are attempts to downplay final fantasy based on how final fantasy 13 was

that is not reasonable since ff15 has a demonstrably different design philosophy and therefore assumptions cannot be based on ff13


"And no, your point was not that FFXV is different than past installments so it could be better than Xenoblade; you were trying to compare the sales numbers of a storied franchise to a relatively new IP"

i think if you look back at my post you'll see that i actually did both

" since no one has actually experienced final fantasy 15 outside of a few trailers there is no way to know conclusively what the entire list of features it has entails "

 

oh and this is interesting "a relatively new IP that was launched at the end of the Wii's lifecycle, as if sales somehow justify their existence or their ability to be good as a game. Games aren't only good if they sell well. There are plenty of games out there that should sell much more, but don't."

interesting to see this argument from nintendo fans but yes i do agree absolutely