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Protendo said:
IFireflyl said:

Those thread examples you gave were all opinion based threads. The success or failure of the Xbox One is not opinion. There are actual facts that prove that it is, or is not, a success/failure. 

For someone who likes to preach about "the facts" you seem to ignore them.  Almost everything revolving the Xbox One has been a failure from a business perspective.  Those are the facts.  I don't usually quote myself but since you’re a fact man, I want you to be able to see the facts.

Original Policy: Failed (reversed)
Original Pricing: Failed
Free games bundled at original price: Failed
Kinect-less model achieving price parity: Failed
Maintain or Gain Market Share US/UK: Failed
Gain Market Share outside of US/UK: Failed
Xbox Entertainment: Failed
Maximize Xbox Live profits: Failed (forced to give free games eating into profits to compete)
Ability to keep apps behind paywall to maximize subscribers: Failed (Force to compete)
Hardware designs from a performance perspective: Failed (PS4 is more powerful)
Hardware designs from a financial perspective: Failed (While it was true before the release. The cost of DDR3 has constantly gone up, and is going up to the point where Microsoft is rumored to have some major R&D design changes to DDR4, which is costly) 

If you’re going to preach about the facts, than you shouldn't be reading a fantasy articles on fool.com.  There is no way investors are cheering about how much money the Xbox One is bleeding, especially after being assured they would be profitable from day one unlike previous consoles.  That is a fantasy.  That is why investors want to spin off or sell the Xbox division. The Xbox One has been nothing but constant steps back from where they were the previous generation.


Here is the empirical evidence (my number of consoles sold is rounded down, not up):

The Xbox 360 sold 7,984,000 consoles from November 2005 through December 2006.

The Xbox One sold 10,750,000 consoles from November 2013 through December 2014.

The Xbox 360 cost approximately $470 to make when it first came out. The Xbox One costs about $470 to make with the Kinect, and about $395 to make without the Kinect.

The Xbox 360 launched with a $400 prices tag. The Xbox One launched with a $500 price tag. The price tag on the Xbox One dropped to $400 in June of 2014. It dropped to $350 in November of 2014.

From November 2013 (launch) through May 2014 (the last month before the Kinect was removed) the Xbox one sold 4,419,000 consoles. Based on the cost to make the console, and the number sold, Microsoft made $132,570,000 in profit. Then June through October, let's assume every console sold was a non-Kinect. Approximately $395 to make with a $400 price tag, so lets just say Microsoft did not make or lose money in this time. They sold 6,583,000 consoles during this period. Then we look at November and December of 2014. They lowered the cost to $350. They sold 4,167,000 consoles for a loss of $187,515,000. So they gained $132,570,000 before the first price cut and Kinect removal, and then they lost $187,515,000 after that. So a total loss of $54,945,000

From November 2005 (launch) through December 2006 the Xbox 360 did not have any price cuts. It lost $70 per console sold, and it sold 7,984,000 consoles. This is a total loss of $558,880,000.

The Xbox 360 is a success. This is a fact. The Xbox One has lost almost $55 million through the first full year after its launch. The Xbox 360 lost almost $559 million in that same window after its launch. The Xbox One sold more consoles through the first full year after its launch, and it lost less money. There is no way anyone can say that this is not a success.

Facts.