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Yakuzaice said:
FromDK said:

The reason is not only lower price.. having fun/good games.. and knowing the console also helps..

They didn't buy a PS4 and One either.. but that dosent change the fact that a lot of "casuals" (kids 6-15 and more relaxed gamers at 15+) will get a gen 8 console.. even so they have not decided/thougt about it yet..

And fine you are sure that the casuals wont "come in droves" to Nintendo home consoles (like last gen) (don't know what you mean by droves.. i'm only talking double WiiU 2014.. Not that WiiU start selling like wii when it was best)

WiiU is from November 2012.. just over 2 years.. 1 year older than ps4 and one.. (and have only first used some of the big guns last half year)

And last.. I believe this will happen.. And what I Wants to happen is that.. WiiU triple in 2015 and double that in 2016..

(and I could also see that happen.. But not to make this to complicated.. (this will require not yet showed/revaled thing/games) I will save that until we see It's on track to double 2014 :)

1. But you said it could meet your prediction even without a price drop.  What fun/good games will impact hardware sales disproportionately in 2015?

2.What will drive significantly more knowledge of the Wii U in 2015? 

3. Your arguments could have easily been made a year ago, and they didn't result in a massive surge in sales last year.  Looking at the prediction thread for 2014, only 3 people undershot the Wii U, all by less than 1m.  Dozens overshot it, many by multiple millions.  There is a history on this site of people basing predictions, especially Wii U predictions, on their emotions rather than the sales numbers.  This seems like one of those times.

4. "Only double" the Wii u in 2014 is more than the Gamecube ever did.  Considering it is still tracking far behind that system, I'm not sure why that is so achievable. 

5. The only hard numbers we have so far is Japan, and that is showing the Wii U down YoY.  Why isn't it benefitting from this casual effect?  Will it turn around or is your prediction based on other regions picking up the slack?

6. Some of the big guns?  The top 12 games on the Wii have all seen incarnations on the Wii U (depending on how you want to count Wii Play).  Only Mario Party and Zelda are left in the top 17. 

7. MP has seen massive decline after 8, and Zelda is pretty far from NSMB/MK/Smash in sales potential.

8. What game or not yet revealed thing do you think could possibly result in 21 million sales for the Wii U in 2016?  That would put it at close to Nintendo's second best annual sales for a home console in their history.

9. Also have no clue how you expect 19+ million for the 3DS this year.

I have spilt the text up.. and will answer them the best  and as simple as i can.. And then you just have to live with me "seeing" it that way.. Until proven wrong or right :)

1. It will (as i see it) mostly be MK8 and Smash.. But also games like Splatoon and Mariomaker could be big.. Zelda could also be big.. starfox.. X.. and some other.. mayby.. It's the the total "value" (games, price, experinces, and usefullness) 

2. MK8 and Smash are again some of the main reasons.. (and other of the 2015 game line up) amiibo will do a litle to.. but the point is.. it's all.. It's all the games and the gamepad.. Most casual gamers knows that there are new consoles on the marked.. but they have not yet decided or wanted to buy one. (you are not aguing that WiiU in 8-9 month will be.. 1000% more "value" for new buyers.. than before MK8 came..?)

3. The more casual gamer will (at some point) buy a 8 gen console.. Again.. why are you saing that they did'nt last year.. Yes i know that.. and they did'nt get a Ps4 or One either.. They are still buying an 8 gen console (the ones end up buy one..:)

4. Sony sold more than 14 mill consoles this year.. And you think half of that is "not achievable".. fine.. I do

5. Japan loves handheld.. The need more games..  And yes offcourse I talk about worldwide sales..  but I do see japan as the worst casual marked for a home console.

6. I don't see it that way at all.. Only few "true WiiU sellers out now.. MK8.. Smash.. Mario.. There will be 4-6 more in 2015.. (imo)

7. Yes hate MP.. :) and zelda.. that you don't know.. We have to see that.. There are some pretty big "zeldaish" games.. and who knows what Nintendo will get out of the more power and HD grafic.. (but I give you.. I would be very suprised if it sold better than MK8 and Smash)

8. They are not really relevant for this tread.. (and like i said.. not even sure it will happen) But offcourse.. A redesigned WiiU/Upad.. combined with Mariomaker becomming the new "braintraining" and Splatoon is insanely fun and totally dominating all kindergardens.. :)  could do some.. rest you have to dream of.. but remember.. nobody saw wii-fit come

9. That was mayby to high.. did i said that.. or did i said combined Nintendo.. I think.. But Okay.. that do sound a bit high.. i will change that to i think they will do much better than 2014.. :)