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Zucas said: In their own right I'm sure they were good games.  Yet they weren't good enough to be put on the same level as Halo was.  So until you can prove otherwise that they made a cultural phenomenon of a game other than Halo myh point stands.  Otherwise all I hear is fanboys glorifty games either to be better than they actually were or more influential than they actually were when in the time they were overlooked.   

 

So let me get this straight...

Since "American Idol" is a cultural phenomenon, that somehow negates the fact that it's the biggest pile of unrelenting shit to ever be excreted onto broadcasting?

And by your logic, Britney Spears must be a talented singer and a fantastic role model, since she hasn't been "overlooked" and therefore must be chock full of redeeming qualities.

The simple fact is that good games aren't necessarily popular games, quite the opposite, in fact. It's typically the little games from little companies no one has heard of which not only wind up being awesome but wind up being ripped off by bigger companies that can reach a broader audience. 



"I mean, c'mon, Viva Pinata, a game with massive marketing, didn't sell worth a damn to the "sophisticated" 360 audience, despite near-universal praise--is that a sign that 360 owners are a bunch of casual ignoramuses that can't get their heads around a 'gardening' sim? Of course not. So let's please stop trying to micro-analyze one game out of hundreds and using it as the poster child for why good, non-1st party, games can't sell on Wii. (Everyone frequenting this site knows this is nonsense, and yet some of you just can't let it go because it's the only scab you have left to pick at after all your other "Wii will phail1!!1" straw men arguments have been put to the torch.)" - exindguy on Boom Blocks