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KLXVER said:
RubberWhistleHistle said:
badgenome said:
I don't know that any of those things are true. Nintendo is just as quick to put a franchise on the shelf as anyone if sales disappoint, and although this could be more about cost of opportunity than games not being profitable, I don't think Nintendo games are as cheap to develop as you seem to.

We also don't know that Nintendo can be profitable off a 20 million install base because they've always had successful handhelds to carry their unsuccessful consoles. And by following their own path it's true that Nintendo is sometimes less affected by "craziness" in the industry than other companies, but this has a trade off because it also means that they sometimes see their business decline even when the industry as a whole isn't declining.

So I'd expect Nintendo to be in the console business longer, but because they are only a video game company and not a corporation that dabbles in video games like the other two.


yeah, nintendo does exactly what you said in the first paragraph. i feel that punch out for wii was not a true effort to deliver a "next gen" type of punch out experience. yes, it had motion controls and i think it worked pretty well for the most part, and was fun, which is a must of course.. but they didnt put the effort into making it better that they did when they made super punch out. super punch out on the snes was leaps and bounds above the original with new things you can do, new characters, new modes, etc.. but punch out wii felt almost like a remake.. and i feel that a similar thing can happen with star fox. they are giving us one because we have been clamoring for it for years, but if they treat it like punch out, then its going to be disappointing. so i do agree that they are certainly guilty of trying to be cost effective with some of these things, and its at the expense of giving us a true successor in a beloved franchise. 

also, the fact that nintendo's business can decline even when the industry isnt is a good thing. the fact that they ultimately have control over their own business is a more comforting feeling than being subject to all these different forces that you dont necessarily have any control over at all.


I highly disagree. Super Punch-Out!! is not a good game. It has sluggish controls and its hard to tell what youre even doing sometimes. Punch-Out!! for the Wii was very well made. There are thousands of little details that could mess up the entire game, but they nailed every single one and expanded upon the formula. When you hit someone, it actually feels like youre hitting them. In Super Punch-Out!! I dont get that feeling at all. Its just a mediocre game that Im very happy they left in the past...

super punch out was a classic and felt like a huge step up in almost every category. i feel like the noise that it makes when you punch someone in that game is very satisfying and i never had any problems being able to tell what was going on lol. i like punch out for wii a whole lot, but it feels more like a remake than an actual next gen punchout that it should have been. it was very disappointing to me. i think their ONE new character was a riot and hilarious. i wish we could have saw more of that. every other character was a remake of the first game. its disappointng. you have to admit that more original characters would have made the game way more enjoyable.