Oh boy Russia, lol the country that "annexes" a sovereign region in Georgia and Ukraine and seems ready to restart its conquest of Eastern Europe.
USA annexed soveign parts of serbia. And besides that ukraine and georgia broke up from the soviet union which was also against the sovereigny of the soviet union like america violated the sovereignty of britain 300 years ago.
I don't know what you're talking about with Serbia, but you seem to lack an understanding of both history and what soverignty means. First, while many Soviet Republics had declared their independence in 1990 and 1991, they all had one final meeting to formally dissolve the Soviet Union and declare themselves the Commonwealth of Independent States. So that breakup was perfectly legal. Second, America didn't violate Britain's sovernty. Since the British still considerd America to be their territory, it was more like a domestic dispute within the British Empire. That dispute came to an end in 1783 when the British Empire agreed to let America be free. If anything, the French were the ones who violated Britain's sovereignty since they were an outside force who participated in the American Revolution against the British.
Nope they hadnt such a meeting. US violated Britains sovereignty, britain agreed to nothing, you won your indepence with war just like the people in donbass are fighting for. So france is resposible for american indepence ? lol so why arent you playing national hymne of france during independence day?
You declared kosovo independent, its terriotory of serbia
Again, what happened between the US and Britain was a demostic dispute. This dispute was ended with a peace treaty in 1783 between the US, Britain and France where Britain agreed to let go of America and recognize America's independence. Your link is about what happened in 1787. That was the year when the US ratified the constitution that it currently lives under. That has nothing to do with the end of the American Revolution since the constitution that the US was living under during the American Revolution was the failed Articles of Confederation. Since you like wikipedia, here's an article that talks the meeting you said that never happened. I will also agree that what's going in Ukraine is pretty much the same thing.
Domestic wars of independence happen a lot. Sometimes they're successful, sometimes they're not. Also, you ask why we never play France's national hymne on our Independence day? It's the same reason Western Europe doesn't play the American National Anthem on V.E. Day. It's not our song. We have ours just like they have theirs.
Since you brought up Kosovo, I know what you're talking about.....sort of. See, the US didn't declare Kosovo's independence. They declared it themselves and the US along with other countries simply recognized it. Recognizing one nation or territory has nothing to do with violating another country's sovereignty. Had the US actually invaded Serbia and declared Cosovo as a nation, then that would have been considered a violation of Serbia's soverignty
-yeah sure America won ww2?
-So why is russia recognizing abchasia and south ossetia violating georgias sovereignty? Or recognizing the crimean vote who want to be a part of russia?
- so invading serbia and not declaring kosovo as indepdent is okay?
- donbass people fighting for sovereinty is okay as long as they win the fight and ukraine is forced to reconzie it just like uk recognized us state? so that makes your founding fathers terrorists because thats what american media is calling the rebels in eastern ukraine?
- Yes, the USA was one of the main victors of WWII. Without American involvement, there would have been no opening in the Western Front or any invasion of Italy. The Germans would have been able to focus all theri resources on the Eastern front and that part would have most likely ended with an amistice. The Americans also destyoed Japans war machine to the point when the USSR finally joined that fight, they were more or less kicking someone who was already down. Also, with America on the side of the Allies, the Allies had the resources and logistics of an entire planet. So yes, I will aruge that WWII would not have been won by Allies without American intervention.
- As far as violating soverignty is concerned, yes, Russia has done that quite often. Before these states were recognized, before votes were carried out, Russia had invaded these countries. With Crimea, their vote for independence wasn't carried out until after the Russian invasion. Not to mention, Russia had violated an agreement they had with Ukraine regarding Crimea. Russia has, time and time again proven that they really don't give a shit about the borderlines of any of their neighboring countries and has in some ways even said that. I'm not saying the USA is any more innocent. We violated Iraq's soverignty in 2003. We even violated Pakistan's soverignty in 2011 when we crossed their border to assassinate Osama bin Laden. That also leads to more complicated issues with wether it's okay to violate another country's soverignty.
- The Kosovo War in the 1990's was considered a humanitarian crisis by both NATO and the UN. It therefore became an international incident.
- Yes, if the Unkrainian government recognizes Donbass, than that's it. As for right now, they are rebels, just like how the Americans were rebels in the American War for Independence, just like how the Southern States were rebels in the American Civil War. It doesn't matter what the American people think or what the news media thinks. Until the issue is resolved wether Ukraine recognizes their independence or not, they are officially rebels in Ukraine.
Your problem is you can't compare things that have already happened to things that are currently happening. The American Revolution, the Cosovo War, and other things like that have already been decided by history. We're able to look back and see what has happened. You can't do that with Donbass. 50 years from now, people in that region might think the strguggle was worth it, or they might think it was a complete waste of time. We don't know yet.
- russia always had their troops there they never really invaded crimea
- so if you see it that way why are you branding these people as evil?
- what has nato for authority to recognize something which isnt part of west? Its a western alliance which is waging wars. Second UN never recognized kosovo everything was vetoed by russia or china, as well as nato bombings.
