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pepharytheworm said:
SamuelRSmith said:
pepharytheworm said:

You do sound like you are advocating to be in more control over the situation of childbirth. Your attitude is like "Well, I didn't want it so good luck. I am outta here". Seriously DJEVOLVE is right, you want more control then you get pregnant instead. Then you can choose whatever you want to do.

The only think you wrote I agree with is the draft laws and those are stupid either way. Get rid of them entirely I say.


What you think I sound like is a construct of your own misreading. Child rearing and birth is the primary task of the mother, and she has the biological controls and there is not much that the man can or should be able to do about that. I haven't said anything contrary to that.

What you and DJEVOLVE are failing to understand is that there's more to being a parent than the first 9 months. And emotional pain over the course of 18 years is a lot more painful than the 10 hours of physical pain that labour endures. Very few mothers abort because they're scared of labour pains or breastfeeding, most mothers abort because they're scared of the emotional or financial commitment that childhood beholds for the next 18 years after that, if women have the ability to absolve that, they should not also have the ability to not allow the men to absolve that.


Alright prove what you say is true and not what others think you are saying. Come up with a fairer law that has a control so as men can't simply walk out. If you say good morals are all that's needed don't even bother replying. 

I agree any father who pays support and is not unhealthy to be around for the child should be able to have visitation rights. Your assumptions of DJEVOLVE and I are way off base. We have not once mentioned that the first 9 months are all there is to being a parent. Only that that is something at this time is not part of the males responsibility and as such the laws reflect that.

DJEVOLVE completely thinks that he first 9 months (at most) is all there is to it - I sure you see that.