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pepharytheworm on 21 December 2014
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SamuelRSmith said:
pepharytheworm said:


If that was the case a lot of men would absolve themselves. Last time I checked, men aren't the ones who have to go to the hospital, men aren't the ones that have to stop working and men aren't the one whos dietary requirements went up. 

"Of all unintended pregnancies [in the USA], 4 in 10 are aborted" - http://www.operationrescue.org/about-abortion/abortions-in-america/

Looks like a lot of women absolve themselves already. This isn't counting those  who use safe haven laws or adoption.

But you're right, women do have to do those things, unless they absolve themselves. Men also have certain responsibilties when it comes to child-rearing, such as providing financial support, the difference is, there are NO means of absolving yourself legally, at least in many places.

The part I bolded is especially important, as you know, men can be the ones who stop working, there's no legal requirement or whatever that forces women to be the ones who stay home. Just because it's the cultural norm doesn't make it valid for your argument. Here in Hong Kong, actually, a far larger proportion of women return to work shortly after giving birth... this doesn't, in any way, change what should be the equal balance in legal abilty to absolve.

pepharytheworm said:

men don't have to continually support those children.


Actually, in many places, yes, they do. In my home country of the United Kingdom, if a man does not agree to voluntarily provide financial support for a child, the Government will forcefully take the income from the father and credit the mother.

You're telling me in your country men have to pay support for dead fetuses and pay foster parents but women don't. lol

On the work issue I am not talking about staying at home after birth. I am talking about late pregenecy term and then healing time. You think women should work until their water breaks, pop out a baby and go to work the next day?

I asked you to come up with a fairer law. This law seems to be trying to be fair as possible since women have to carry the birth. If men were told they can absolve themselves of responsibility what would stop them other then their own personal morals. Basicily you are advocating sexual intercourse to only  be risky to women and not men when it comes to pregnency. Already women have more fear of pregency then men. All you have is finiancial resposibility and nothing else, women have more then that.