| o_O.Q said: So... uh having a night designated specifically for women where only they are allowed out on the streeets is equal treatement... well what can i say lol i actually can't think of a retort lol
"You know, the gender that gets raped hundreds of times more than men." well i wonder about that myself isn't it interesting that we are told that rape is the most gruesome terrifying thing anyone can experience yet when the conversation turns to the gang raping of men in prison it then becomes a joke? i have no statistics to back this one but i'd hazard a guess that if the men who are raped in prison were totalled it would outnumber the number for women raped on the streets what have feminist who want equality and want rape squashed done for the men in prison... absolutely nothing
but anyway with regards to the law have you actually gone and analysed what they are trying to do? well i guess perhaps it doesn't matter to you either way given your earlier response
"It does mostly protect women from getting raped."
well no it actually protects men too but ultimately the aggressor is always classed as a man since men do the penetrating again the point is to enforce the stereotype that men are the sexually deviant violent sex while women are less capable of evil
"Many of the laws are there to protect women. You know why? Because biologically, men are stronger than women. "
ah ok so therefore because men are more capable of certain forms of evil they must have more restrictions placed upon them because of the actions of a relatively small amount of men lol do you not see that you are backpeddling now? i thought you said feminism was about equality and not about putting more restrictions on men via laws? let me ask you something how does evil manifest itself in women since they are less capable of violence? have you ever thought about that? ah forget it its irrelevant
" Historically, women have been dominated. This is fact. " yes women were and men died for them in the millions let us not pretend that women did not benefit from the old arrangement in anyway women were denied many basic rights by men who if the time called for it were expected to die for women and i'm not saying that this justifies it in anyway i'm simply making the point that the old arrangement oppressed men also in those days in times of adversity you can be sure i would have rather been a woman than a man
" But you're cherry picking little articles and bits and pieces of these laws and indicating that they COULD be used for bad."
i kind of thought that was the point... you asked me to provide examples and i did
"Also, Bayonetta is an absolutely ridiculous game in terms of its blatent sexuality."
yes because it is bad for women to be overtly sexual correct? isn't that slut shaming? or is it victim blaming? honestly i'm losing track of all of these terms lol
one thing i must say though is that for someone who isn't here to defend feminism you really do seem to be bending over backwards to do so |
"So... uh having a night designated specifically for women where only they are allowed out on the streeets is equal treatement... well what can i say lol i actually can't think of a retort lol"
Do you read? There was a night for women, then a night for men, then a night for couples.
"i kind of thought that was the point... you asked me to provide examples and i did"
I asked you to provide me examples where my freedoms were compromised. You sent a link of a one time thing in Colombia where the mayor had a "ladies night", then a week later had a "man's night", and then a week later had a "couple's night." That example proves absolutely nothing. You're ignoring an important aspect of the article because it doesn't fit your argumen. You sent me a definition of rape, and you sent me an article on the california Yes Means Yes law, which redefines how we view rape. You've also decided to only consider specific pieces of each and use your own assumptions to support your view. I'm not naive here. I know people will use these laws and bills to their advantage. But the laws themselves aren't feminist in nature.
"isn't it interesting that we are told that rape is the most gruesome terrifying thing anyone can experience yet when the conversation turns to the gang raping of men in prison it then becomes a joke? i have no statistics to back this one but i'd hazard a guess that if the men who are raped in prison were totalled it would outnumber the number for women raped on the streets"
It might outnumber them, or it might not. And any statstics aren't very useful at best, due to our reluctance as a species to report rapes, but a quick search gave me "1 in 10 rape victims are men. (Rathus, Nevid and Fichner-Rathus, 568)". So....9 times as many women get raped than men. Kind of irrelevant though. By your third link, these prison guys are covered by the definiton of rape. So, what's "feminist" about the definition of rape?
"yes because it is bad for women to be overtly sexual correct? isn't that slut shaming? or is it victim blaming? honestly i'm losing track of all of these terms lol"
And where did I say any of that? Bayonetta is very ridiculous and over the top. In many ways. Sexuality is absolutely included in that. To deny it is denying the obvious. It's neither slut shaming nor victim blaming because IT'S A VIDEO GAME CHARACTER!
"lol do you not see that you are backpeddling now? i thought you said feminism was about equality and not about putting more restrictions on men via laws?"
Where's the backpeddling? I didn't say anything remotely like that.
"ah ok so therefore because men are more capable of certain forms of evil they must have more restrictions placed upon them because of the actions of a relatively small amount of men"
Women can be just as evil as men. But we're stronger. We're more aggressive (you even said so yourself a few posts back, using the word "violent"). A 250 pound man has more options available to him than a 110 pound woman if both of their goals for the day are to assault someone of the opposite gender.
"well no it actually protects men too but ultimately the aggressor is always classed as a man since men do the penetrating. again the point is to enforce the stereotype that men are the sexually deviant violent sex"
So are men violent or aren't they? You seem to be a little wishy washy on that. I'm down for whatever laws protect potential victims of sexual violence. End of story. I don't necessarily see how the Yes Means Yes law is going to do much of anything, since this is mostly policed by the schools. But schools are required to use the "preponderance of evidence" standard in this law, so who knows?
"one thing i must say though is that for someone who isn't here to defend feminism you really do seem to be bending over backwards to do so"
Not defending feminism in the least. I just don't feel like feminism is infringing on my rights in any way. Those examples you gave aren't really convincing me otherwise. Anyway, I'm done with this. I don't even feel strongly enough about this to continue. You clearly have your views. Have fun.
