| DrDoomz said: 1. I'll avoid the bait to take this part of the discussion to another meaningless tangent. The point was that my reply was specific in addressing your "choking" comment so your omission accusation falls flat on its face. |
The reason I'm being such a stickler for semantics is I've noticed a number of people believing Garner was choked to death (choke hold is unfortunately named so, people may think Garner's neck was squeezed until he was dead) and a number of media outlets reporting it as such but we know his death wasn't so simple.
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DrDoomz said: Anyway, yes, it was most likely an accident. I never said they meant to kill him. But an accident due to negligence and a complete disregard for another person's life is a crime (manslaughter up to murder 2 depending on the judge). He used a move that was banned for a reason. Literally rolled the dice about a person's life when it wasn't really necessary. Then left an unconscious man who was obviously in distress to slowly die on the sidewalk. And every single cop who participated needs to be made accountable. |
So what are we to make of the finding that no throat damage, the product of an improperly used choke hold, was found?
http://nypost.com/2014/07/19/man-in-chokehold-death-had-no-throat-damage-autopsy/ (fyi there's the word 'aggravated' in this article by the way, used the way I used it. Make of it what you will)
Also, according to Dr. Lawrence Kobilinsky (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/experts-explain-garners-autopsy-report/vp-BBgpgW6) who had access to the autopsy report, the choke hold cut off circulation to the brain as a properly-deployed choke hold should. It did not squeeze the wind pipe.
| DrDoomz said: 5. Seriously? Simply talking him down would have worked. Gardner seemed agitated but agitated people run out of steam pretty quick if you don't engage them. Heck, writing him a ticket and letting him walk away would have been enough. You understand selling cigarettes (which they never found btw) is a misdemeanor right? |
You can still get arrested for misdemeanors depending on jurisdiction and the type of misdemeanor. Apparently, New York taxes have created a black market for cigarettes and the tax man does not like tax evasion. Also, Garner had a record of selling untaxed cigarettes.
Trying to find out whether Garner was or was not found with cigarettes in his possession.
As for talking Garner down, not sure that would have worked judging from the fact that verbally and physically, Garner was defiant. You can see that in the video. According to http://www.newyorkcriminallawyer-blog.com/2010/01/resisting-arrest-new-york-pena.html, it doesn't take much to be charged with resisting arrest. Police can't just let you go once they've decided to arrest you otherwise their ability to enforce the law would be undermined.
Some in the business of law enforcement would not disagree with the decision to use force: http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/04/us/eric-garner-chokehold-debate/index.html
""Once (police) make an arrest, everything is designed for officer safety," Cevallos (defense attorney and CNN analyst) said. "And if a person doesn't immediately comply, then they can move right up the force continuum as needed. That's the way they're trained.""
