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Fusioncode said:

That doesn't make any sense. GT5 released in 2010 and has managed 10m sales. GT6 came out in 2013 and is already close to 3m, will hit 4m lifetime. You're telling me that in 3 years that the entire franchise has collapsed to such a degree? No, no, not even you believe that. GT6 had the worst possible release date. The game was completely overshadowed by the PS4 and was unable to build up a market presence. That shouldn't be the case for the next mainline entry on PS4. I guarantee GT7 will be a 7m+ seller at the very least. 

Fusion this guy is making no sense. He said earlier that Sony have made no good games for PSV, PS3 and PS4. That they must have spread themselves too thin. Yet he prob thinks X1's dubbed down clone of LBP is a great game. The rose tinted classes are strong on this one LOL. 

Mr Puggsly said:

Over time I think Forza 5 will do 2 million unbundled. The series has shown decent legs even for predecessors. Its at 1.6 million now with some bundling and we don't know the digital sales.

I never said Forza Horizon 2 will do two million. My guess was 1.5 million life time for X1, maybe 500-600K for the 360. Unless they spend a fortune making those games I assume they're profitable.

The personality and gameplay of SO differs greatly from the games you mentioend. Those are aspects that can affect a games popularity. Hence, the style of SO is niche kinda like Jet Set Radio.

Forza 5 has already been bundled heavily not a little as you put it. Take off the rose tinted glasses. FH2 is out and is taking it's legs from under it. Not that i had good legs anyway. Forza 6 will kill off both the Forza's and it will be the 3rd Forza in 2 years of X1. Talk about milking. As kong as it continues it will keep having very average sales. But for a racer they're not bad. Considering the steep decline in the genre. 

The basic gameplay is very similar to Ratchet especially and a lot of things similar to infamous too. Obviously the personality is going to be very different or else they'd be calling it Ratchet Overdrive. You find it hard accepting facts and saying ratchet and sunset are similar should be the first one on your "must accept" list. Ratchet is a better game than sunset though. That's prob the biggest diff between them :)