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jetforcejiminy on 30 November 2014
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Kerotan said:
jetforcejiminy said:

not going to argue with you about the quantity. there's no question there are more open-world games of the sort you seem to be referring to. this is usually not what people mean by adventure, tho--they've sort of become their own sub-genre (sandbox/open-world action/adventure/shooter/rpg?). anyway, i played mordor a little while back, tbh it's an lotr-themed assassin's creed 2 reskin. which is not a bad thing b/c ac2 was probably the best ac game, but still. gta i don't feel has evolved in its basic structure or its sandbox-y gameplay since gta3 on the ps2. i haven't enjoyed a gta game since as much as i did vice city, but that was mostly because the new-wavey setting/music and the miami vice theme was so hilariously bad it was good.

these seem to me to be glorified map-clearing exercises rather than games. i can def appreciate those things, but i feel as tho the gameplay has not really changed in any substantial way. for some of them (gta, far cry, etc) skill doesn't even matter. anybody could play them, whereas precision is demanded by metroid and zelda (and castlevania and so on). i feel like i often have to try to get killed in gta, even.

You make some fair points and games like gta must not be for you. they haven't change much from their basic structure and they won't. just like mario kart or ssb hasn;t changed from there basic structure either. If a game ain't broken no need to fix it. Now milking it to the extent of COD, FIFA, Assassins Creed  or Forza will prob not leave the series in the best possible light but most games are not milked like them. 

castlevanie is on playstation BTW. i'm sure zelda and metroid are good games but just because you think they're harder doesn't mean they're better or more fun. Obviously they are for you but people buying the others wouldn't think so. 

Far Cry 4 was my first ever far cry and it was some adventure. never played anything like it. I'm not gonna go "you know what zelda, was harder and more precise then that, plus Far Cry 4 is said to play the same as the previous, so i'm gonna say it's not that great". It just doesn't work like that and can you honestly say sequels to zelda, or pokemon or monster hunter have changed that much? No they haven't because they're sequels. 

wikipedia says an adventure game is "a video game in which the player assumes the role of protagonist in an interactive story driven by exploration and puzzle-solving" (e.g. zelda). very narrowly defined, that's what an adventure game is (it does not include rpgs, tho adventure games can have rpg elements, but does include text adventures like maniac mansion and ace attorney, etc.). an action game is "a video game... that emphasizes physical challenges, including hand–eye coordination and reaction-time." this is less clearly defined because it can include everything from fighting games to shooters and platformers (action platformers like mega man and contra, for example).

none of what you're describing really fits either category. they are open-world, sandbox-y games that implement a few scattered elements of the action/adventure toolkit, so to speak, but are not really action/adventure games at bottom. obviously these genres overlap--a game like the wonderful 101, for example, is a real-time strategy game + an action/adventure game (more the latter than the former really). gunstar heroes and contra 3 are action platformers. bayonetta 1/2 and dmc are pure action games. so i feel as tho we're not really talking about the same thing here. open-world games on the wii u will eventually include (in some way) the next zelda and xenoblade chronicles x, and monster hunter 3 has some elements of that, as do the dragon quest rpgs that haven't yet been localized (and probably never will). lego city undercover is the closest to gta gameplay there is on wii u, and i guess there's also watch dogs (which happens to suck). you're right that there aren't many games of that sort on nintendo platforms, and part of it is surely due to technical limitations. that's not being disputed i don't think. what you're describing just aren't action/adventure games (uncharted, tomb raider etc. are).