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makingmusic476 said:
El Duderino said:
makingmusic476 said:
El Duderino said:
makingmusic476 said:
El Duderino said:
Strategyking92 said:
Darc Requiem said:




when most states joined the union they had no idea that they couldn´t ever get out of it anymore...


Actually, they legally should've been able to get it out of it.

I know... thats one major reason why they were so pissed of... and I do feel sympathy for those who wanted to be independent but I have to go with Lincoln on that one "A house divided against itself cannot stand." With the nation growing so fast at that point a war would have become inevitable and it was a good thing he decided to fight before things got even more complicated... though it is sad so many people had to lose their lives fighting for freedom on both sides...

 

He could've just said Goodbye when we tried to leave instead of forcing a war that resulted in over 620,000 deaths.

 


That just wouldn´t have worked... had he sayed goodbye then new states founded in the west could have also become slave states... Lincoln offered the south that they could keep slavery (at least for a while) but no new states where alowed to have it... the south didn´t want that though... it was a fight over principles, eather all men are created equal or not... if that principle is not worht fighting for I don´t know what is...



The war was a matter of economics (particularly tariffs) and states rights (the right to secede from the federal government, and the right to nullify any law a state deemed unconstitutional, much like the issues surrounding the tariff controversies of 1832).

Slavery was well on it's way out by the 18th century. Virginia had been holding abolitionist talks in the State congress as early as 1853, and the US was one of the last major regions that still allowed slavery (England, France, and Spain had banned slavery years before hand). To say that slavery would have survived in the CSA for very long is untrue.


While I do agree that slavery was not the only issue that lead to the civil war I think its impossible to say Slavery was not a main factor... sure there were many other factors but slavery was a very big one... many european countrys had fromaly abandomed slavery but fact is that people could still be held in slave like conditions by their landlords... to say because there were abolitionist talks in the south proves slavery was going to be forbidden is nothing but speculation... there were also anti-abolitionist in ther North btw... Lincoln wanted america slave free once and for all, he achieved that and we should all be gratefull for that... ( I know it took another hundred years for blacks to have equal rights but the Civil War was a major step in the right direction...)