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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
endimion said:
I disagree I have been following the vg market for over 10++ years and we know A that MK has a way bigger fan base than Smash. And B that ninty fans tend to overlap main title taste way more than other console... I guarantee you that more people by ratio with smash have MK than people with halo have forza... There is absolutely zero doubt about that....

Fact is all things kept equal the proportion of smash potential buyers that don't have a Wii U yet even considering prior major ninty title are out is without a doubt smaller than the proportion of Halo fans that didn't yet purchase an XBO because of prior title such as forza... There shouldn't even be a debate about that

And lets be clear even if no game had released yet on either platform smash has no way the pushing power of a halo collection such as MCC this Gen...

Not trying to downplay smash or ninty since I like both and would gladly buy a Wii U if i had more time to play... But this are commonly accepted facts... With enough data to back it up

 

Data such as?

I'm sure you have a chart showing the percentage of overlap and objectively proving subjective preferences.

Also don't get it twisted, these "commonly accepted facts" are your opiniated assumptions that you claim to be fact. Completely disregarding the concept of change.

The disagreement was not that whether or not there is overlap but how using that overlap to predict sales is unreasonable, and by using vague language in his prediction it cannot be proven or disproven either.

That's why the variables A and B are undefined. There is no specified percentage of the bases, mainly because of the lack of evidence and there is no percentage of consoles that must be moved to rendered it true if it falls below or false if it sells above. There is no goal post.

 

And another thing, if you can't awnser this question then this discussion is pointless.

What part of the Mario Kart series exclusively advertises or gets people intrested in the Smash Brothers Series?

Simple the entire Nintendo Lore, this is exactly why THERE is with no need of numeric data, evidently, more overlap between MK and smash than forza and halo, denying it is ludicrous.

 lets put it that way there would be more overlap between a “Halo Forza kart racing ulimited“ and Halo than between Halo and Forza this is evident and a verifiable trend with about any marketing associatio. Take hello kitty, take Pokémon, yughi yo, peanuts, or whatever you wan. fact is ninty stuff attract more ninty stuff hence smash fans are more likely to be MK fan.

We know MK fan base is bigger than Forza in regard to their respective counterpart namely Smash and Halo. Therefore, yes Halo has more HW pushing power than smash….

In that situation MK=Halo and Smash=Forza in fan base, so since the biggest HW pusher came first on ninty and second on XBo it is logical that there is more HW pushing power left on XB sid. In other word it would have been Smash first and MK second and Halo first and forza second on the release schedule I would have agreed MK would have probably won the HW pushing

And stop saying it’s my opinion any Nintendo fan that love smash probably love or at least like MK and in any case are more likely to buy MK than Forza fans are to buy Halo which have absolutely nothing in common not even their identity. Smash is a spawn of MK in the Nintendo lore period whether you like it or not at least from a marketing and brand identity point of view SO YES IT DOES ATTRACT MORE PEOPLE IN COMMON. and even if it is without doubt more likely statistically than Forza fan being halo fans You are trying to tell us that there is no way to say a Mikey mouse fan is not more likely to be a Donald duck fan as well than a Transformers fan is likely to be a Harry Potter one. Who are you trying to convince here if that were true we would fall in the highly improbable extremities of a bell curve with 20 standard deviations of improbability on top of it. So yeah I don’t have empiric numeric data for the overlap but I don’t need to because we would fall under an highly improbable situation in any case.

MK and Smash have more in common than Forza and Halo no need for data, past experience, years of gaming, my college education, and professional life in marketing are enough for me. Like I can guarantee you there is more overlap between COD and Halo fans than MK and smash and I don’t need numeric data to be 99% sure of that. Yet I LOVE HALO AND HATE COD but I know I fall in the marginal part of the bell curve.