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Intrinsic on 03 November 2014
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Pemalite said:

1. Exactly, the entire picture includes every single facet pf a platform, that's generally what is called a "break down" or "analaysis", it then gives people an informed, informational overview of all the platforms competing for your dollar and thus all the pro's and con's that go with them.

Again, you haven't done any of that, just "what-if" scenario's.

 

2. But the Playstation 4 is neither, $200 or $500.
You also have zero idea of the rest of the platform costs or the component costs inside the Playstation 4.

This is *why* a cost analysis needs to be performed, you are hell bent on comparing firstly by cost and then by performance, which both aspects fall on each other with a PC. - It's insane.

3. *Sigh* Because it's not as black and white as you think it is.

For starters... Since that "benchmark" was posted (If you can call it that.) drivers would have improved the performance of the Radeon 7850.
You also have the ability to overclock a Radeon 7850 beyond the level of a Playstation 4.
You also have choice with that particular card, where-as you are dictated to how you play games on a console.
For example on the Playstation 4 you had no choice but to run Battlefield 4 at high-quality settings and 900P with 60fps.
On the PC however with a Radeon 7850 you can run it with Ultra-quality settings, 1080P and 30fps if you so desired, probably push up to 40-50fps with overclocking thrown in.

Lets not forget a Radeon 7850 is *cheap* now because it's 3 years old.

 

  1. The kinda "breakdown" you are referring to heer only applies if you are trying to educate someone on what to buy and why. That is not what this thread is about. Yet you keep hammering on it. This thread is about trying to arrive at an acceptable criteria for which the performance of a game could be compared between consoles and PCs. So people don't just take the most powerful hardware you can get with a PC and compare how it runs games to a console with weaker hardware.

    So since what we are measuring here is how a game performs on different hardware or platforms, I really don't see the need of having an overall cost breakdown of the long term benefits of using a specific hardware/platform over the other. So I don't know what you mean by I am assuming what-if scenarios, when in truth the scenarios I am postulating would apply to any kinda benchmarking on the planet. Cause technically, thats already how everyone benchmarks stuff.

  2. That was just an example, and one made specifially to prove a point to you. I didn't expect you to take it literally. And you are wrong about me not having any idea of the costs of the rest of the components in the PS4/XB1. Here... unless you can do better of course. Its also common knowlege that unlike with the PS3/360... the PS4/XB1 (at least the PS4) was not being sold at a loss.
    You can clearly see that the cost of the PS4 APu costs arpund $121. Mind you thats a CPU+GPU. This is also why i refrained from using the actual cost breakdown of the PS4 and just rounded up to the cost of the hardware. Cause as I said, so doing will make it unfair for a PC cause it would mean that the PS4 should only be compared with a CPU+GPU that costs no more than $121-$200. I don't know what is insane here. All i keep saying, s that hardwrae of a similar price to what was avaialable at the time of release of the console or of a similar core make up is what qualifies for direct comparisons in performance.

  3. Everything you have said in this point, is true. Very true actually. But only goes to further prove my point and not contradict  it. Its like you are agreeing with me without knowing you are agreeing with me. Yes, better drivers may have come out, you have more options on how to use the hardwrae on the PC. Thats all well and good. Thats what you get for having a PC. Still doesn't change the fact that that is the the right type of PC hardwrae to use when comparing a game running on PC to the PS4. No one is saying that so doing will automatically mean that the hardware will not perform just as well or better. And consoles get improved drivers too... but thats a different matter and doesn't tie into what this thread is about.

    If its cheap or not cheap is irrelevant. Thats not what any of ths is about. If you can overclock it or run games as you say on ultra at higher resolutions is also irrelevant. Cause they are true and does not dispute what I am saying.  

    Sigh... I can't believe that you don't realize you are actually agreeing with me. But yet just somehow arguing is if you weren't. Honestly you are all over the place taking this to places it has no busines going to. There is a simple straightforard discussion at hand. And regardless of being repeatedly told so, you keep talking like there is anyone arguing with all the other things you are saying. I am just telling you thatthose things don't relate to what is actually being discussed.