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Intrinsic on 02 November 2014
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Pemalite said:


1. The ENTIRE point is (And please stop deflecting/changing the argument) was how much cheaper consoles were to a PC, well guess what? It's actually not if you cared to do a proper costing breakdown over a long term.

2. You're blowing it out of proportion.

Lets take the Radeon 7850 as an example, which is in the same ballpark as the Playstation 4, you can run Battlefield 4 at 1080P on it.
You are given this thing... Called a choice.
No $1,000 GPU required, only common sense needed.

3. That's mostly your own fault rather than everyone elses as you didn't elaborate on such points in the origional post, which left room for it to be construed in other ways.

 

  1. Please, refrain from puttin words in my mouth or completely twisting the facts. THAT WAS NEVER THE ENTIRE POINT. Or even a part of it. And if you actually read the OP well you would have understood this. And if everything you are saying is based on that, then you really have wasted your time typing all the stuff you did.

    The point was never to say "console gaming" is cheaper than "PC gaming". It was to say that there are different types of PC hardware. And there are types of PC hardware thatis similarly specced to what you have in consoles. And that if comparisons of a game running on both PC and consoles are made, then the PC version in question should be running on hardware that is at least similarly specced to the console. That way they are n the same category. The point is that it makes no sense when people compare games running on PC hardware to consoles if the hardware in question is vastly different. That was the whole point of thsis thread.

    I have not changed the OP in anyway, please show or tell me one single way that what I said in the OP made this ALL about console gaming being cheaper than PC gaming. Please.

  2. Thank you. Thank you very much for this point. That is all I am saying. I am not saying that you don't have choice as a PC gamer or what not. Just that there is PC hardwrae out there that is similarly specced to the PS4/XB1. So if a PC gamer wants to post a pic of how much better that game is running on PC, then that PC gamer should use the hardwrae you just cited. Which at best will run the game at 1080p. And not post up pics of the game running at 4k on hardware that is 4 times more expensive than the hardware in a PS4. 

    And this is what I don't get. If some of the posters here, yourself included, just relaxed a bit and didnt take this thread to be some sort of attack on them or however you take it, you would find that if you guys gave it any thought and tried to see what exactly I was saying.. you would arrive or come at the exact same conclusions that I and others in this thread has come to.

    Again, for the 1000th time, this thread is about creating a level playing feild for games to be compared. A $1000+ gaming rig is simply not remotely in the same weight class as a $400 console. And that flexibility you mentioned, the PC guys should put that to use. They should stop ignoring the hardware that is out there that is similarly specced to a PS4/XB1 like they don't exist. If you listen to PC gamers, you would think that there is only super high end hardware on the market... until they actually tell you what they are running in thei rigs.

  3. Nope. I completely disagree. Read the OP again. And this time don't read it like someone is attacking PCs and read it like someone is making a suggestion as to how games between PCs and consoles should be compared. Isn't it funny that only certain PC diehards "didn't get it"?
I commend the effort you must have put into that post though, but it was for the most part a waste of time. especially if you just re-read the OP. Cause what you say this thread was entirely about, clearly shows that you didn't get it. And even after re-reading my Op a couple more times, I still don't see what could have ever led you or anyone to think what you thought this thread was about. 
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And yh, that logic thing you said. Thats you trying to twist facts again. If you were using my kinda logic you wouldn't be saying the PS4 is more expensive than the PS3. You wouldn't even be comparing the PS4 to the PS3 to begin with if you were using my kinda logic.
The logic I am throwing at the PC guys is; compare similar specced hardware to similar specced hardware. Period. Nothing more nothing less. Compare a PS3 to the XB360 and whatever PC hardware came out around that time that is similar in specs or that came out at lower prices in the subsequent years. Compare the PS4 to the XB1 and any PC hardware that is similarly speced. And not PC hardware that costs 4-5 times as much. And if that is an exageration, lets look at it another way. Compare the console hardware to cpu hardwrae that has at least close or similar core count. At least on the GPU side of things.
What exactly is wrong with this logic. Can you please tell me how you can justify comparing a $1000 GPU to a $150 GPU? Cause its practice like that that I am speaking against.
And if you say that doesnt happen then you are just flat ut lying. Cause i can tell you tis much. There is no GPU under $600 that will run any game released in the last 6 months or next 6 months at 4k and at 60fps. So when some PC gamers claim thats what they are running or post pics of the game running on their rig at those settings, then they are also talking about hardwrae that cost at least $1500 if not a lot more.