@Erik Aston - thanks for the well thought out and informative reply. It was an interesting read. The only thing we'd probably differ in our stats is that I was taking the 4.5 million in US sales for 2006 (as reported by NPD, and linked to twice in this thread) and adding in the 660k from 2005 to get 5.1 million US sales. If the rest of NA is 10% as you say, then it would be 5.6+ million for NA. I guess we'll have to see when final numbers are released. @TalonMan - Once again, I'm sorry my pointing out that vgcharts was 400k in NA didn't meet your standards of being noteworthy. I'm still confused as to how you continue to "rely" on vgcharts although it is nearly a half a million off in a very easy to track area? I guess your just one of those people that swallow's everything, questions nothing, and is fine if vgcharts is off by a million or so... although, it's probably highly likely that the 360 isn't your console of choice, which is why you could care less about this difference. I'll just say that if the 400k means nothing to you, then quit spending your time in this thread giving me long winded excuses and saying we shouldn't care about the 400k difference. I do care, that's why I'm here. @bcsd - Thanks for the 10.4 million sold information! It's definitely likely that MS means "sold to retailers", however that would definitely prove the 360 is above 9 million, and that the 8.1 million cited by vgcharts is complete bunk. @Cryoakira - I definitely agree... vgcharts needs a date as to when its figures are accurate through. If it's currently showing stats through mid-Dec we may all be on the same page (as far as 360 stats go) and just not know it. @Stromprophet - We've already been through this NUMEROUS times in this thread and shown that NPD data (as we commonly debate here) is US only. NPD does have a separate Canadian division, but those numbers are very hard to come by. Apparently nobody tallies Mexico. If you want sources, look back further into this thread for this discussion... @UltimateNinja9 - I'm not sure why everybody brings up nexgenwars into this thread? I've never backed nexgenwars and frequently said I believe them to be as every bit as screwy as vgcharts. I'd start a new thread if you want to debate vgcharts vs NGW... it doesn't really belong here. However, I will note one thing... it's been a LONG time since I've been 18 years old, but I remember being a smart lad then, and I do know some pretty smart 18 year olds. Age alone doesn't mean much, and I would never use that as an indicator that somebody is full of crap.