The Qur'an Exposed Thread

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VXIII said:

I'm sorry that I'm not interested in going into so many details. In general, being the most merciful is one side of God "character". God also describes himself as "Allah is Exalted in Might and Owner of Retribution." God is merciful to people who are proven worthy and seek his mercy in this life. Even though God would like everyone to be good, that's why every sin can be redeemed, but humans were given free will, some choose for God not to be merciful on them (by their actions). The reward is promised to be worth it, and the punishment is only fair... From God perspective of course.

Being objective, Eternal punishment is never fair. Allah's perspective is messed up. Owner of Retribution? Allah seems to be more humanized than I thought. He/she takes things too personally. A just judge shouldn't do that. Allah can't be just if he/she seeks retribution.

And yes, in Quran God mention some people that would have preferred if they weren't ever created. From that angle God indeed is not merciful on them, only because they were proven unworthy. God is also just, the "ignorant" humanity was given a way to determine and make decisions (mind and consciousness). Again God is most merciful only under certain circumstances.

Allah is not just, see above. If Allah isn't merciful at all times, he/she isn't the most merciful. Allah's desire to inflict unjust eternal punishment on horrible people strips him/her from both titles; Just and merciful. 

Animals, you are looking at this subject from humanitarian angle. Let look at it as if we were animals. They don't have the awareness and consciousness that people have (which could be the meaning of the "Trust"). Hunting one another is not a "sin" as they have no way to know good fom evil. Their "suffering" is not really suffering it only reflects the nature of this world, they are not a subject of God testing. They are not the "point" from God perspective... And I have no knowledge of what is supposed to be their fate in the eternal afterlife to be honest.

Do zebras feel pain when they're hunt? Yes. Why is that pain necessary? I am sorry but Just saying "it's not really suffering" doesn't make the point you think you are making.

As of you weren't asked to hold the trust, I believe it is the nature of humanity that was asked (the way humanity was created) not every human. That how I always understood it.

Hard to say anything to that because this is pure speculation on your part and you could be very wrong.

Ignorance might be the nature of humanity, but humans were given ways to overcome it.

And some of those who don't overcome it will be eternally punished.

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Sorry if I'm not going to comment further. I just think most of what you're asking about should be self answered.

Bluntly speaking, I'd rather have no answers and avoid Islam. Your answers aren't convincing at all, sorry. I am not bashing. It's not your fault Allah makes it hard to believe in him. Thank you for your time. I truly appreciate it. :)