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oniyide on 08 October 2014
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IamAwsome said:
oniyide said:
IamAwsome said:

They do make games (Sunset Overdrive, Project Spark, Quantum Break, Scalebound, etc.). Just because they don't make 99 new IPs in a generation doesn't mean they don't make games. 

They put DRM on the console becuase most publishers were trying to combat used games. EA, Ubisoft, Activision, Square Enix, and Sony ALL had online passes at some point. Capcom had the whole RE: Mercenaries 3D debacle. Microsoft didn't put DRM on the XB1 for themselves, they did it because it appeared that the industry was moving in that direction for better or worse. Heck, Sony filed a patent that had to do with DRM, so they may have been planning something as well.  The E3 2013 backlash stopped that in it's tracks. 


@ bolded 1 But imagine how much MORE they could make without spending on nonsense like timed exclusivity that doesnt really benefit anyone except whatever publisher they are giving money too. Cause right now their actual 1st party output doesnt even beging to match that of Sony or Ninty. Not saying it has too but MS isnt even close.

@ bolded 2 online passes and DRM arent the same thing so lets not even act like they are. Sure i needed a coded to play the online mode of Uncharted 3 but my entire console didnt break without it and i could still play the game. 

@bolded 3 i agree that they didnt put it in for themselves but they sure as hell didnt do it because they thought thay was the direction the industry was going, if that is true then they truly had stupid people running the company cause no one in their right mind was going to accept their whole DRM policy, and they were warned and the other two didnt do it.  Sony files patents all the time. So what? it means very little. We cant say for sure but we can def say so for MS. e3 thats my point it should not have even gotten THAT far. They should have never gone through with it after rumors appeared and people were like "you better not" or at the very least should have dropped it after the intial reveal. Naw they stubbornly waited till after e3 and PS4 full reveal to change tune.

Sorry for the late reply, but anyway...

They're just trying to be competitive. Timed exclusivity/DLC/marketing; give people a reason to buy the console however I do agree that they overspend. Microsoft knows they need more 1st party games, why do you think they've opened new studios? 

Online passes and DRM aren't really the same thing, but they represent the same initiative: Kill used games

No one in their right mind? Developers certainly did. Gamers didn't. AFAIK the PS4 rumors didn't go either way, even though publishers wanted DRM on both consoles. Sony may/may not have been planning anything, but the patent certainly made it LOOK like they were. Sony played the cards close to the chest, and it paid off. Like I said, pubishers pushed for DRM, and this is part of the reason MS came out in full force at E3 (and why EA in particular was all over the XB1). Microsoft probably would have pulled a 180 long before E3 if there was concrete evidence that Sony wasn't going to do it, but there wasn't, and they got burned. I wouldn't call that stubborn. 

I have not issue with them being competitive, but this isnt the way. IMHO it reeks of laziness, take that money and invest in your own studios, get real exclusives. Not crap that we know will show up later on another system im probably a better way. Sony did that, Ninty has been doing that.

sure, but one is more extreme than the other.

I was talking strictly gamers so you agree. Sony is the jack of all trades, they put the patent there just in case they would NEED to use it. We cant really know for sure if they ever WANTED to. SOme publishers pushed for DRM. Ok you do make a good point, they probably would have did a 180 early if they knew what SOny was doing, but then that goes back to my initial point. THey shouldnt be concerned with SOny in the first place they should have been listening to THERE consumers in the first place. They didnt, and they were made to look stupid. And there was plenty of evidence that people did not want that DRM xbone, so yes they were still being a bit stubborn. But maybe EA was talking crap in there ear the entire time. I almost feel bad.