| VXIII said: - Palestinians are descendants of Canaanites. an ancient tribe that dwelled in the land. |
So some people claim. But what is the evidence for this? I'm unaware of the Palestinians having the same strict rules on outmarriage that the Jews have, and they didn't preserve their ancient religion or language, so by this point, aren't they Arabs descended from various indigenous and non-indigenous settlers to the region? Nothing of the ancient Canaanite culture is left; how much of the ancient Canaanite blood do they have left after thousands of years of assimilation?
| VXIII said: - Jews expel from their countries has different circumstances each time. That is not what we are talking about ( and I don't have enough info ) |
You'd be surprised at how similar those circumstances were each time.
| VXIII said: - Again Israel situation is not "self defence", it is a stolen land. Also, you choose to ignore the growing israeli settlements, they are getting bigger by the day, thousands of Palestinians are losing their home because Israel take their land by force. You also choose to ignore the siege on Gaza since 2006 and still going. What about the massacres Israel has committed agaist children and women ? |
Can you steal something that was yours to begin with?
And a few words on "settlements":
The West Bank has had a Jewish population for thousands of years, and Hebron had a large Jewish population until the early 20th century, when the Jews were massacred by antisemitic Palestinians (should the Jews take the whole of Hebron back?). The Israeli-Palestinian borders are just ceasefire lines. The proposed borders from the original partition plan in the 40s (which the Jews agreed to and the Arabs rejected) were drawn up by outsiders purely for convenience.
The Israelis removed all settlements from Gaza, which historically didn't have a significant Jewish population and is acknowldged as the homeland of the ancient Philistines.
Most of the current conflict isn't about the settlements. Israel could dismantle every settlement tomorrow and 90% of the people who currently hate Israel would still hate Israel.
Everything Israel has done in Gaza since removing the settlements has been self-defence as advocated by the Koran.
| VXIII said: - IS actions are acts of terror, it has nothing to do with Islam, That is what I was discussing with the other guy when you jumped in with Israel issues. If you disagree, give me one example from Quran that supports IS actions. |
Fine, one example:
I'll wait for you to tell me that this is a mistranslation that has been taken out of context.
| MohammadBadir said: If I told you to jump, and you jumped off a building, Which one of us would be at fault? |
Why would only one party be at fault?
Both of us would be at fault.
| the2real4mafol said: Also i wish people could not use this as an excuse to hate on Islam. Its like comparing all Christians to Puritans |
I have no problem with this. Puritans are trying to live exactly as the Bible tells people to live.
Mormons might be a bit of a stretch, since they have a whole different holy book.
I hope you're not assuming that everyone who isn't fond of Islam is a Christian. There are plenty of people who don't like either group very much.
| the2real4mafol said: Funny how the Extremists Muslims only really exist where there has been war or drones strikes in recent years. If anything you can all thank western imperialism for this |
Untrue. I haven't seen many wars or drone strikes on Saudi Arabia recently.
But even if it were true, what is cause and what is effect? Maybe there would be fewer wars and no drone strikes if there were no Islamic extremists.
