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VXIII on 05 October 2014
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Kudistos Megistos said:
VXIII said:

Israel is a modern term. Your are talking about the history of Jews in general. Jewish populations were a part of others within different countries and empires, they have no land of their own. Palestine , however is a country by the modern definition. Btw, I'm talking about the right of people in a land, not their politicals leaders, they change all the time.

And yes, if they had a land that was stolen from them, it is their right to get it back.

The Jews were the last people to have an independent state there. It's been the possession of foreign empires at every other point in its documented history. And those "others" made it pretty clear that the Jews didn't belong in their countries. The Germans made it clear that the Jews didn't belong in Germany. The Poles made it clear that the Jews didn't belong in Poland. The Arabs made it clear that the Jews didn't belong in Arab countries (except Saddam Hussein, who generously allowed the Jews to return to Iraq several decades after they were expelled and had their property stolen; in retrospect, Saddam doesn't seem like such a bad guy).

This isn't the point I was making tho. The point is that a lot of Muslims don't like it when non-Muslim entities use the Koranic rules for self-defence against Islamic entities. Which is too bad. Since the Islamic State wants to take the Koran literally and declare war on the non-Muslim world, the rest of the world should play them at their own game and give the Islamic State everything they have. If the Islamic State wants to fight Britain, Britain would be within its rights to do everything within its power to destroy the Islamic State. As should the United States if IS wants to fight US. If the western countries threatened by IS act exactly the same way that the Koran instructs Muslims to act when attacked, IS's sympathisers have no right to complain. Both sides would be playing by the same rules.

- Palestinians are descendants of Canaanites. an ancient tribe that dwelled in the land.

- Jews expel from their countries has different circumstances  each time. That is not what we are talking about ( and I don't have enough info )

- Again Israel situation is not "self defence", it is a stolen land. Also, you choose to ignore the growing israeli settlements, they are getting bigger by the day, thousands of Palestinians are losing their home because Israel take their land by force. You also choose to ignore the siege on Gaza since 2006 and still going. What about the massacres Israel has committed agaist children and women ? 

- IS actions are acts of terror, it has nothing to do with Islam, That is what I was discussing with the other guy when you jumped in with Israel issues. If you disagree, give me one example from Quran that supports IS actions.