zero129 said:
Captain_Tom said:
zero129 said:
Captain_Tom said:
zero129 said:
mornelithe said:
Vena said:
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Keep in mind, I only have the slightly faster 560Ti in my machine, so I'm not hating on PC here. But, you can't expect a modified APU that's been out for less than a year to have the same kind of API refinement as a GPU that's been out for 4 years.
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Ehh, with Maxwell's release, and the Pirate Islands and the new memory standard (HBM) coming early 2015, the standard prices of old GDDR memory is going to plummet. AMD will already have to cut prices to keep their old gen in the race against the Maxwell line when the 960 launches (which will be cheaper than the 970 by a good margin). GPUs that far outstrip the PS4/X1 will be easily affordable on a budget within a few months. In fact the HBM reveals are really going to ramp up the developments on the GPU end, and we're going to see prices of old cards drop off fast.
HBM is going to really change the game on the APUs side of the market too, leading to even better budget builds with built in graphical capabilities at budget prices.
Everything else can already be had at a decent price without much trouble by finding deals or shopping circa Black Friday. You can already build to or beyond the specs of the consoles on a budget of 400-500$ (give yourself an extra 50$ for not having to pay for PSN+ or XBL), and in a years time it will be even easier to completely blowpast the current consoles with a small budget. Once the basic architecture of a PC is built for a person, they can and will always be ahead of the console curve if Sony/MS stick to x86 architecture on both price and performance because the majority of the guts will never need changing outside of some unforseen failure, like your RAM, PSU, Mobo/CPU, etc....
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Eh? I wasn't commenting on any of that (Given there are cards already out that butcher the consoles, it's...pretty logical to assume more will come, and prices will fall hehe). Simply the silliness of expecting a brand new API to be as refined as that of a 4 year old card (that's wasn't a slouch either). And I also pointed out in an earlier response that there are cards that can easily destroy the PS4/XB1...hell, combined. Titan Z and R295X2 have nearly 3x and 4x the performance of both consoles together, respectively. I was actually curious though, the cards that murder other tech are easy to point out, but what cards/PC setups are 'slightly' better...like, where's the break even point.
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But you see your the one who for a start asked for a break even point, and then when i pointed out that my old 6870 could still match the newer gen consoles (That should give you a very good break even point like you where asking for!) you started stating that thats pretty obvious since devs have had 4 years to "Refine" for the 6870 O_o but yet i was only giving you what you asked. Now all you need to do is see what newer low end cards match the 6870 and bam you have your break even point  .
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Your old ass 6870 doesn't hold a candle to the PS4 lol. The PS4 is basically an HD 7870 (Some things are a little worse, some things are a little better), and the 7870 is double your card. I own a 6870 btw.
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Clearly you dont or else you must have it mixed with some pretty bad hardware if you think it doesnt hold a candle to the PS4. And if you think im lying like clearly you are all you have to do is look at my steam profile and look at some of my old pics and try tell me again it doesnt hold a candle to it. Btw heres my profile http://steamcommunity.com/id/mcdgray129
And some pics
http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/613883652968579820/F8761057F4DD00D786781960C1B21B2BE864A44B/
http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/613883652967018461/07174574D600795EE61F441B9F6A7BA712A64B0C/
http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/613883652966987532/FE56E1947E904B2711B1D717A1B2FA27CCC93D9B/
Now care to tell me again how the PS4 is Destorying my 6870??
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LMAO! A $30 hd 6450 can render those screenshots! But at what framerate? Lets see you run the Shadow of Mordor in 1080p with above low textures...Oh wait you can't!
Edit: You're Sleeping Dogs pic kinda looks like garbage compared to the settings I am used to. (only one I bothered to look at)
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All them games run Between 30-60FPS and i knew you where going to say something like this before i posted them.
Like i said my PC plays all them no problem id take pics with fraps running on some of them but you would only prop say i photoshopped them or something.
And Sleeping Dogs is pretty much running with Max settings so i dont know how yours looks much better unless your running it in a res higher then 1080P and downsampling or something.
But ether way your wrong with what you said as so far the PS4 is not destorying my 6870 and guess what ill be getting Shadow of morder and ill play it no problem looking better then the PS4 on my R9-290 and then for the sake of trying it ill play it on my old PC with my HD6870 and i bet it will still play just as good as the PS4 version maybe even a bit better just like every other multiplat game i have played.
So please dont be coming in here trying to put something down the back of my neck when i know what im saying can be backed up with facts unlike what you have been saying but your more then welcome to take pics of your 6870 with your name next to it to prove you have one if you want.
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Yes your R9 290 will play SoM better. GOD I HOPE SO! It's only more than twice as powerful lol! I am not trying to put you down, the PS4 is just slightly less than twice as powerful as your system. Deal with it - Oh wait you have because you are upgrading.
Sorry a pet peave of mine is PC people with average rigs that lie to themselves about how weak the PS4 is so they can justify not getting one. If you don't want one that's fine, but let's not pretend it is because yours is stronger. It's because you don't want to spend the money (Which is a valid reason).
