Islamic State murder British aid worker

[VXIII]

SlayerRondo said:

VXIII said:

1- " And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers."

The two bolded line clearly shows that this is all an act of self defence.

2- Again, you need to understand the historical fram of the event. "flee in the way of Allah"  is a refrence to famous immigration that heppen when muslimes were slaughtered and expelled from their homeland Maka. The Surah is talking about a group of people who pretended to be muslims but they actually fight Islam from within the Islamic soicity. They are recongized by not immegrating to Madina. Again self defence.

3- The prophet actually have let go of the war prisoners, that's why the Surah states that you shouldn't have prisoned and freed them in the first place, because they will just fight you again.

4-  Not true

I encourage you to read about the history of prophet Muhammad, He never started a war, not even once. All of the "violent passages" describe a time of war, in which Muslims were always defending themselves.

 

 

 

 

1. The tribe had already relocated to medina and rather than trying to peacefully spread the word they used violence

2. It is nowhere near as specific as you claim it to be.

3. So its just the Quran thats violent and not Muhammed?

4. The siege of Banu Qurayza was a clear example of Muhammed condoning the beheading of all male adults and having the women and children taken as slaves. That is a completely despicable act and shows the Muhammed was not a prophet of the devine but rather a product of the times.

He also took to raiding caravans from Mecca which does not seem very prophet like.

And also the ambiguity of the verses just goes to show hom unbelievable the Quran actually is that people can have multiple valid interpritations, some of which will clearly lead to violence by the devout. Would a god really be so incredibly foolish?

 

 

I had to change the format, I hate when people add their replay in the same post, so confusing for me... Anyways:

1 - Violence in self defence, yes. The Surah is clear about that. Why do you ignore that ?

2 - True, That's why having knowledge about the circumstances surrounding the event is important, feel free to check the validity of what I tell you.

3- You keep ignoring the true meaning and taking things out of context , It is a war agains muslims, the Surah says kill who tries to kill you and don't take prisoners, they will just fight you again.

4- Banu Qurayza betrayed the alliance with muslims and conspired agaist theIslam. Only warriors were killed. Here is a small text from Bukhari book.

"The Prophet said, "O Sad! These people have agreed to accept your verdict." Sad said, "I judge that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as captives." The Prophet said, "You have given a judgment similar to Allah's Judgment (or the King's judgment)."Sahih al-Bukhari,"

Again, Please read about the Islamic history, don't just read to people who criticize it.