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mornelithe on 04 October 2014
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zero129 said:
mornelithe said:
zero129 said:

But you see thats true for all AMD gfx cards (And nvidia ones) even the 7870, or else my 6870 would be out doing that too (Yes i know the Ps4 one is custom made 7870 but still stands), now i do know that the will be a point where PS4 games will out match my 6870 fully,  but i remember last gen no 4 year old graphics card could even come close to the one that was in the 360 and this gen we already have cheap cards that can match and outperfom this gen of consoles pretty easy and once mantle and DX12 launch that direct to metal access wont be a problem no more or at least not as big of a one as it has been.

But pretty much before somone else takes this and trys to turn it into something else that i dont even want to get into, my main point of what i said and all im trying to say is that thanks to lastgen lasting so long and this gen kinda dropping the ball on power, it has made it a great time to get into PC gaming as it has never been easier or cheaper to build a gaming PC that can keep up with the nextgen consoles where as at the start of lastgen that would of costed you a few k's to match the 360 and PS3.

Uh no, the PS4 APU has both the CPU and GPU on-die (It's an SoC).  Ergo, it's only 'similar' to the 7870 in performance.  It isn't a modified 7870 (There is no standalone GPU).  It's a modified Jaguar APU.  So, again, your argument breaks down.  And even if it were as you say, it would still be a highly modified 7870, ergo, the 7870 driver would be useless for certain (important) modifications, and...of course, it's a PC driver, so there are things in the PS4 APU that no 7870 driver has ever even dreamed of programming for.  So, you'd need to take parts of the R290 driver and combine it with the 7870...or, more realistically (especially for more direct to metal performance gain) you create a whole new API, which, as I said, takes time.

Pretty much your taking what i originally said off track to try explain to me about how the PS4 GPU is "Only new" and my 6870 is 4 years old so devs had lots of time to work with it and thats why its able to keep up to the PS4 and now they have to learn all new things (False) to program for the PS4, fact is even if the PS4 APU has a highly modified 7870 like card performance in it still doesnt change the fact devs hard lots of time to work with the same type of hardware for years!.

But like i said all this still just goes with my original point that now is a great time to get into PC gaming and its never been easier or cheaper.

So why then with me even putting that at the end of my last message are you still trying to prove to me that in 4 years time PS4 devs will be able to outdo my card? (I think within another year or 2 but still) when i already said that?? point is when that does happen ill be able to go give 150 for a card that once again will easy out perform the PS4 and saying that devs had more time to optimize games for my old card is a very very poor argument to be making anyways imo as that didnt hold true lastgen when no 4 year old card could match the 360 yet this gen cards are doing it easy. That is the whole point im making is that this gen people can build PC's that can match the PS4 for around the same price and that makes it a great time for anyone that isnt yet into PC gaming to get into it as it has never been easier or cheaper.

Yeah, because you know, the 8 ACE's which only the R290 have, which has only been out since Nov 5th 2013, has been so used by devs for years.  Great thinking.  It's also a completely different memory architecture, and not a standalone GPU.  All are hugely different from the 7870, your argument is beyond silly, at this point.