Starcraft Mafia - Game Thread - Concluded

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theprof00 said:

objectively, my arguments are sound.
Whether it was scum or not, you were the first to directly imply that dark templars were vanilla scum. Regardless of whether or not you choose to believe it, that came off as a slip. Whether or not it was scum-motivated is the only thing up for question.

 

This is how logic works:
Supporting statements
One player has a role with a name
Two players have roles and only unit names

By logic, some roles have names and some do not.
I don't know if you know logic or not, but there are rules.

Your evidence
At least one player has a role and is named (R AND N)
At least one player has a role and is not named (R AND NotN)

Conclusion: Prof has a role and must have a name

This doesn't follow logically.

Conversely, it does follow that SOME roles are Named and NotNamed (P = NotR and (R and (N and NotN)))

Some players have roles, some do not. Of those players with roles some have Names and some do not.

That is called logic. Your statement does not support that, as you have omitted evidence for no real reason whatsoever.

 

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" thus it follows that I don't consider the extra abilities such as shield and stimpacks (or jetpack for that matter) to be power roles."

that statement is not a LOGICAL CONCLUSION from the evidence.
Evidence:
Some players have roles and Names
Some players have roles and NotNames
A power role is a player who has a role
Imp casts suspicion on a player that claims not to have a name.

Conclusion:
Imp doesn't consider the roles without names to be power roles.

NOT LOGICAL.
There is no deductive reason why you should consider some roles to not have power roles based on the statements. Unless there are logical statements missing, which you haven't provided.

You don't consider Shield (bulletproof?) Stim (doublevote? night kill?) and Jetpack (commuter) to be power roles???

I see that you're trying to explain yourself, but every explanation warrants even moer questions. Why would you not assume those are power roles? This is directly related to your accusation of me. You're supporting your suspicion by simply oblivating other evidence?? Can't you read this and think to yourself "yeah, that sounds ridiculous"? Because it clearly is!

 

Lastly, you can consider anything about me you want. You think that I'm trying to dissuade you but you couldn't be anymore wrong. I think you've made some glaring errors. Whether or not you are scum or simply hard-headed and WRONG is the question I have to answer for myself. Most of your other input this game has been very strong, so it bothers me that you'd be making these errors.

We are getting somewhere, I don't consider the role modifers to be power roles. So, feel free to disagree with the axioms, to pretend that the consclusions don't follow logically is incorrect. Anyway, I am not sure how useful it is to continue down this path. Perhaps you are used to people whimpering because you throw these kinds of statements around, but in a game like this an excerzise like the one you made is useless. I'm excitted for you that you've taken a class of formal logic, it's pretty useless in a setting like this though.  Despite what you think, it's pretty rare for people to make basic logical errors and most argumanets are not structured as anything other than very rudemantary logical statements at best. The issue is almost always with the axioms and yes, my reasoning is based on premisses that are far from proven axioms. They are, wait for it, theories and thoughts I've put forward to check assumptions. In a game like mafia as in life at large it's not at all unheard of to make arguments from shaky premisses. You've done it throught this game yourself, as have everyone else.

Anyway, I appologise to town for this, I'm sure you didn't sign up for mafia to see nerds argue over formal logic used on an informal logic application.

Bottom line is, the name prof claim for his ability doesn't gel well with the flavor and a supposed town alignment, I'm not the only one to have noted it either.