Sony To Post $2 Billion+ Loss

[DonFerrari]

kowenicki said:

DonFerrari said:

burninmylight said:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6682693

You know why the post was made right? Just pretending there were no R&D...

But on their reports (billions of Yens)

Year            Revenue             Profit

2012 805 29.3

2013 707 1.7

2014 979 -8

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/2013/shr/pdf/AnnualReport_E.pdf

We can't have a precise picture of MS (and thir loss on gaming due to R&D) because they merge the numbers with other products (like sony have done putting Vaio together with consoles).

We dont need to look at the Xbox gaming to see if its propping up MS though do we?  they make 6bn a quarter in proits, so the point is moot. 

If MS choose to put their numbers in with other stuff so what?  Why is that relevant to the point being discussed here?    

The point being made elsewhere was gaming is a stalwart of Sony overall figures and the main profit maker.  It isnt.  Its 3rd at best, usually 4th.  No need to drag MS into this, it just makes it all look even worse.

 

So when we discuss if gaming division makes money or not for Sony it doesn't matter if we can know how gaming performs for MS just because they make massive money?? That is the same as I having an IQ of 200 and you a IQ of 100, or that I earn 100k a year and you 30k (not saying any of them is truth) but it doesn't matter because your country have a bigger GDP than mine...

The relevance is that in 2012 Sony with less revenue put 29B yen of profit in gaming (that aint small) but then put almost nill on 2013 and loss a little on 2014 (even though with higher revenue, and we now PS3 and PSV costed less to produce in mid 2013-mid 2014) so it is evident that R&D was the great cause (even more when console is being sold for small profit, all 1st party games sold more than 1M, PS+ double the base). But you want to say their gaming division is in bad shape by cherrypicking the numbers... So if we had specific numbers on Xbox profits (with X1/PS4 releasing around the same time, and for X360 had similar sales of HW and SW than PS3) we could see that they also would have a big drop. Not dragging MS on this, just comparing...