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Soriku said:
Nintentacle said:
Soriku said:

Job 28:25 - They reference wind, not air. They probably figured the wind has "weight" (mainly pressure) because the wind is able to knock stuff over and such. Anyone can easily observe this.

This makes sense.

Israel - Let me put it this way, if the USA suddenly decided to nuke and invade Israel with their entire force, just as an example, they're fucked. Faith in god doesn't matter. Any of their losses (Bible stories aside) have nothing to do with god.

You could just say God let the invasion happen because of the unfaithfulness.

Virgin birth - Where in the Bible does it say you're married once you have sex?

I just think It's like that. There wasn't always legal marrige, and the people become "one flesh", which lead me to think It's that way. I might be wrong though.

Messiah - With this one the idea is that the original prophecy was not fulfilled. Jesus was born in Bethelehem, yes, but that's not what the original prophecy referred to.

I might get back to this one.

Disappointment - OK, but what was this passage referring to?

It says that Daniel 8:14 says after 2,300 days (Which doesn't always mean actual days. It's probably years, since they used a one week covenant to represent 7 years) the sanctuary will be restored to It's rightful state. Their proof that this didn't happen is that William Miller was wrong about when Jesus would return. The real thing they need to prove is if 2,300 years after the prophecy was made, the sanctuary wasn't restored.

Cyrus - With this one, the idea is what the prophecy doesn't mean much when the conquer was inevitable. So not much of a prophecy. Babylon seems to be implied although it's not directly stated.

Still, it didn't say the thing would happen, so you can't call it a failed Bible prophecy.

One thing, do you honestly believe Egyptians will speak the dead Canaanite language in the future? If you believe that's one of the prophecies that will come true. Based on what? It's very likely that the Bible is just plain wrong in this case.

If God is real, it will happen one day.

 

Nintentacle said:

By not believing in the existence of a deity/ies, you believe that everything was created out of thin air, by absolutely nothing.

By believing in the existence of a deity/ies, you believe that everything was created out of thin air, by a powerful being/s.


You're missing the part where this powerful being came into existence out of nothing too. So you run into the same issue!

Me running (More or less) into the same issue doesn't justify the Universe creating itself.



-You could say that, but I wonder how many people would? There would be no way to justify the idea that god let an invasion happen. Chances are Israel is like any other country and can get invaded for similar reasons.

-The idea of one flesh harkens back to Genesis, even before Adam and Eve had any children. I always just took it as the marriage (not necessarily legal marriage as we know it now) itself signified one flesh, but then sex is a follow up and would consummate the marriage I suppose.

-OK about Daniel.

-It was still referring to this dude Cyrus who was going to subdue nations and stripping kings though.

-Well, if the Christian god is real it might happen. Or not.

-It doesn't justify the universe creating itself (we don't have all the answers yet), but the justification for god's existence is weak as well by using the same reasoning.

-There's no way to justify it, but that doesn't mean it couldn't happen.

-Well, assuming that virgin was a mistranslation, and it is supposed to be maiden (And that you could be a virgin, and still married in God's eyes), it wouldn't mean that Mary wasn't a virginn 

-You're probably right. There isn't enough proof of God to convince you until the end times actually happen.