Soriku said:
steverhcp02 said:
In 50 years we will be arguing about something else. The same as Galileo and his bros caught shit from the church. Now this is the next step. I mean people who believe in facts and science don't have an answer to some questions but they don't make something up. They are content saying "I don't know". The problem is people that simply can't accept "we just are because we are" are the ones that need faith or some sense of greater purpose which is what pulls them to faith. It is simply denial in the grandest sense.
People that point to god have a built in wild card. When challenged for proof they get to say "god, next question" When we have carbon dating and analysis that tells us the universe is 15 billion years (forgive me if im off im drinking grown up beverages) and fossils, DNA/RNA protein synthesis all of which is ignored in holy books we have enough science to try to learn and build knowledge. I mean people that actually study religion and philosophy (which is strangely most often people that aren't religious) see parallels from scripture that mimic needs or social policy of the times.
I find it peculiar that God had no problem possessing and talking to people throughout the times of scripture but is lacking recently. Unless you count the lady who drives her three children into a lake and kills them because God told her.....sounds similar to abraham but i digress.
Look back throughout history. Show me one instance where the church prevailed over free thinkers not bound to the notion that searching for answers is blasphemous in an obvious attempt to hold power, money and influence.
I get you people want to feel important but some we simply aren't meant for some higher purpose. Sorry, you will die, it will go black, and the world will forget you. The sooner you come to terms with it the better.
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I don't really understand the greater purpose that religious people derive from being religious. Being a worshipper makes you fulfilled? A great purpose in your life is setting yourself up for your next life? What? What will be your purpose in heaven then? Is there an after-after life you're going to strive for? Heaven is supposed to be filled with pleasures, but what if I have enough pleasure and am fulfilled enough here on Earth?
You have a number of reasons to live here on Earth, and you can create your own goals too. These goals can give your life purpose, if you really need one. Whatever you enjoy can be enough motivation to live too. Worshipping a god and setting yourself up for another life just seem like superfluous reasons. From my point of view these aren't 'greater' purposes at all or even sufficiently satisfy a reason to live. Even if god and the afterlife are real, how do these things make you feel important?
On god's method of communication, it's peculiar that the best God Almighty has got is some text on scrolls. For such an important message, you'd think he'd do better if he were real. And with the Christian god, everything seems to be focused on just the Middle East.
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Again it goes to back to controlling masses. Why do you think the cornerstone of the faith is donation and poverty? All the while the entire premise of it is "trust me"? Religion capitalized on peoples desire for purpose and still does to an extent. Even if you're a serf or peasant if this life isnt all there is then thats a lot better and more promising because you will never ascend socially (during the "teachings/scripture" era and even today: see the american dream conundrum). Also, it is no coincidence that the cornerstone of faith is living poor (or donating so to speak) so you have both segments locked up. Control peasants from uprising and harness the rich so that their money can buy eternal happiness.
When religion is studied through social contexts rooted in historical substance and the acquisition of power it plays out as nothing more than a brilliant social ploy.
