Where did the Big Bang Come from?

[Nintentacle]

Soriku said:

Nintentacle said:

 On some of these, you could probably just say they haven't happened yet. As for the other ones, I answered a few (Although not perfectly):

Israelites will be unbeatable

The Israelistes are only undefeatable when they listen to God. It says when they don't, they loose against their enemies, and the land becomes unprosperous in terms of harvest.

Virgin birth

Mary wasn't married to Joseph when Jesus was born. The "marrige" was when the man and the woman had sex, which is when they were "joined together", which means that being a maiden meant that you were a virgin. So, the prophecy was still fulfilled, whether "virgin" was the correct translation or not.

The messiah will be born in Bethlehem

 It doesn't matter exactly what happened, Jesus was still born in Bethelehem.

The great disappointment

William Miller being wrong does not confirm whether the prophecy is correct or not.

Cyrus will conquer Babylon

Like the author said, Isaiah 45 never mentions Babylon, so you can't call it a Bible prophecy in the first place...

Job 28:25 - They reference wind, not air. They probably figured the wind has "weight" (mainly pressure) because the wind is able to knock stuff over and such. Anyone can easily observe this.

This makes sense.

Israel - Let me put it this way, if the USA suddenly decided to nuke and invade Israel with their entire force, just as an example, they're fucked. Faith in god doesn't matter. Any of their losses (Bible stories aside) have nothing to do with god.

You could just say God let the invasion happen because of the unfaithfulness.

Virgin birth - Where in the Bible does it say you're married once you have sex?

I just think It's like that. There wasn't always legal marrige, and the people become "one flesh", which lead me to think It's that way. I might be wrong though.

Messiah - With this one the idea is that the original prophecy was not fulfilled. Jesus was born in Bethelehem, yes, but that's not what the original prophecy referred to.

I might get back to this one.

Disappointment - OK, but what was this passage referring to?

It says that Daniel 8:14 says after 2,300 days (Which doesn't always mean actual days. It's probably years, since they used a one week covenant to represent 7 years) the sanctuary will be restored to It's rightful state. Their proof that this didn't happen is that William Miller was wrong about when Jesus would return. The real thing they need to prove is if 2,300 years after the prophecy was made, the sanctuary wasn't restored.

Cyrus - With this one, the idea is what the prophecy doesn't mean much when the conquer was inevitable. So not much of a prophecy. Babylon seems to be implied although it's not directly stated.

Still, it didn't say the thing would happen, so you can't call it a failed Bible prophecy.

One thing, do you honestly believe Egyptians will speak the dead Canaanite language in the future? If you believe that's one of the prophecies that will come true. Based on what? It's very likely that the Bible is just plain wrong in this case.

If God is real, it will happen one day.

 

Nintentacle said:

By not believing in the existence of a deity/ies, you believe that everything was created out of thin air, by absolutely nothing.

By believing in the existence of a deity/ies, you believe that everything was created out of thin air, by a powerful being/s.

You're missing the part where this powerful being came into existence out of nothing too. So you run into the same issue!

Me running (More or less) into the same issue doesn't justify the Universe creating itself.