MTZehvor said:
smakz said:
MTZehvor said:
VanceIX said:
Mystro-Sama said:
Most Atheists i've spoken to dropped the smartass attitude after that question. Not to mention that they can't seem to answer the question of how an existence without consciousness can create an existence with consciousness.
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But in that case, who created the conciousness that created the conciouss existence?
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There wouldn't need to be anyone; if a being exists outside of the universe, it is not bound by the laws that exist within this universe, such as time (and, by extension, the need to have a beginning).
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The same is true of anything, not just a "being". If a rock exists outside the universe, it is not bound by the laws that exist within this universe, such as time.
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Certainly.
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Therefore, if we are going to postulate extra-unviversial entities and assign them human-like characteristics of "intention" towards "creation" (ie, in as much as fire "intended to create" ash), the next logical conclusion is that it is more likely the universe was "created" by a rock, seeing as how there are several orders of magnitudes more rocks in the universe than there are humans. Seems pretty case closed to me. The big bang came form a random rock. Any more questions or can we close up the thread?
