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Norris2k on 30 August 2014
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justgames7604 said:


Well they are definitely not on par. Because that food statement makes no sense as food is not a notion with contradicting evidence pertaining to its existence. I also dont reward food for creation and life and gaps in knowledge with my praise. People that learn could become presists, but they nolonger say 'thats a demon causing your cough, Gods cross will fix ya up' becuase they learnt its probably a virus and they just need rest. The more you learn the less that will generally be left to magic, i dont need to thank someone for my existence because i learnt that life can and will occur naturally, the building blocks for life tend to naturally form. I also see evolution, i see animals changing from one species into another within my life time, i see useless body parts and organs that have no meaning and can kill me, yet i have them because they aren't so detrimental to our species as to be selected against. I have huge gaps in my knowledge but i dont attribute those gaps to a god. God(s) have never been proven and have no tangible relevence in anyones life. Most of the world does not believe in the same god and they have advanced fine without eachothers notion. Over time the more that humans learned the less relevant God became in our lives. We do not take our children to a priest when they are sick, we take them to doctors. We do not exorcise mentally ill patients anymore, we take them to phycologists.

 

I spent alot of my life, as have other people, around churches and spend a significant portion of my life invested in the notion of god. Athiests don't just believe what they do because they were raised in a household built around it (generally). Especially in America and western cultures that have, at least in NA, 95% of people identify with christianity. We usually become atheist because i read the bible to death and thought: wait that doesnt make sense. And other things i do not agree with such as god allowing salvery, rape and murder and commanding people to do it. God teaches me how to handle my slaves and how to beat them, God teaches me it is ok to take virgins for myself and to kill the rest becaue they dont believe like they should.I also know that the world isnt flat and you can 'see each corner' from a huge tree. Through learning I know that noahs ark couldnt have come to be as there is millions of animals that supposedly fit on a boat smaller than the titanic.

 

 

Those doctors were ignorant of certain things we know to be factual in todays time, and it goes to show that as time went by , the more we learnt. Just because they felt that they knew enough doesnt mean others did or else research would of stopped and no one would be washing their hands today and my studies would be meaningless.

You think you talk about God, but you make quite a confusion between very different concepts, such as God, Monotheist God, religion, religious authority, and superstition.

First,
- God is a concept of something/someone beyond humanity. You are absolutely not talking about that.
- The monotheist God is the idea of an omnipotent, omniscient God that exists before anything. You are not really talking about that.

An then, there is:
- The religion, which is a common belief and concept for a perticular God. It includes the Bible and its strange or illogical stories. There is no way denying the logic of the Bible would lead to deny God or the monotheist God.
- The religious authority, which is a human organization that as such tends to be in search for growth, control, power, but also... makes mistake. That included making the priest, Church and Bible the single source of reference. Which lead to make the science a competitor as a reference, but also a risk for the power balance so far in favor of the religion. Which lead at some point of time to the flat earth belief protection, which is not a constant in Christian religion (see wikipedia), not even a statement of its Bible, and not a word of God (if any).
- The Bible which the religious authory and religion is partly based on. Man-made, translated multiple times, different possible interpretations, part symbolic, part truth, it would very wrong to make the validity or morality of it a decision point about God.
- And last but not least, superstition. The idea that a cross will prevent a disease. And it's plain stupidity, for quite a lot of them it was spread by religious authorities, but it's not related to the existence or not of God, a monotheist God, the pertinence of the Bible, etc.

So, educated people believe less in God, but their education has an impact on what is the less directly related to God. Myself I think I can say I'm educated, and I'm atheist, but the explanation of why would be a lot more complex than "religion is full of crap".