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Baalzamon said:
VXIII said:

So one side only looking for counter argument without really trying to find the truth or get a knowledge out of it.

Is it really due to lack of effort to finding the truth though? In my case, the reason I approach the debate by shunning the logic of the religious is to get them to quit babbling at me regarding things I don't want to hear, as I have largely accepted it (the "beginning" of the universe) is something I will very likely never have the ability to understand in my lifetime. So there isn't really a reachable truth or knowledge to be had. There is a very high likelihood that no matter how many resoures we put towards attempting to discover the answer, we will still not know in any of our lifetimes.

Trying to find a truth is an attitude. Whether there is a truth or not is a different matter. The subject might not have a reachable truth, but that doesn't mean one should reject any counter argument without even taking a few seconds to think about it ( rather than thinking how to counter it ),  saying that the other side "babbling at you" shows that you have no acceptance to them to begin with, which is exactly what I was talking about.

So, carry on... warriors of triumph..