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QuintonMcLeod on 20 August 2014
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DonFerrari said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
DonFerrari said:

1) Claming selling isn't because of SW because if it were the attach ratio would be higher is basically saying it is bad.

2) Vita and WiiU attach ratio is higher because of more time on the market. Or would you say the Wii didn't sold based on good games because Ps360 have better attach ratio?

3) Please show evidence that having 3 games per hw sold for a 9 months old system is bad or cut your anti-sony preaching.

1) If software was selling the PS4, then please tell me... Which software is selling the PS4? The highest selling PS4 exclusive is Killzone at 1.82 million according to VGC.

2) That's not true. The PS4 has outsold the Wii U a few months ago. Mario Kart 8 had released to an install base of 6.5 million people. The PS4 was at 8 million at that time. Mario Kart 8 outsold Killzone and Second Son - both of which were out on the market longer than Mario Kart 8 - all within in 3 days. 

Even New Super Luigi U, which was basically just retail DLC for New Super Mario Bros U, outsold Infamous: Second Son; a PS4 exclusive! 

Also, I would hope the PS360 would have a higher attach rate since they're both over 80 million sold - but if we're going to talk about last gen, then we'd have to include the original Wii, which had a higher attach rate than the PS360, but that's another conversation for another time.

3) Once again, it's not bad - but considering that the Wii U is at 7 games per system, that is very worrying at 10 million units sold!

1) WiiU have sold 49M Sw? So for you ps4 isn't selling for the games, so the same is valid for WiiU that have so many great games but still don't sell Hw. Today we learnt that sw don't sell hw.

2) Do you understand what attach ratio means? How much sw were sold relative to hw. If you new it you wouldn't say Wii attach ratio is greater than x360 or ps3. X360 have a better ratio than even PS2 (around 10,5 for 360 but ps2 is like 9,5).

3) All console increase the attach ratio over time until stability close to gen end. I have about 150 (120 retail) games for ps3 and just 1 for Ps4 and that isn't because of lack of game.

4) Mk8 was launched after a drought of several months, is one of the top franchises for ninty and were bundled like crazy. Do you think Wii Sports would sell 80M without bundle or that it is better than galaxy because sold 3x more? Or that the main reason for Wii selling was it? If you take the mandatory bundles from Wii the attach ratio would drop to 7 so I guess it wasn't bought for the games but just the hype right?


1) I'm not sure if you're trolling or not. Software does sell hardware. There's far too many examples that I needn't waste my time.

2) No, you're right here. I'll leave it at that, because it's off topic.

3) Uh huh. Damage control.

4) Alright. Sounds like you understand my point. Software clearly isn't selling the PS4. No one knows exactly what is. You not having much of an argument right now shows that you finally understand that. 

Alright. So, don't reply to this. All I wanted to do was provide some education. I'm glad I was able to provide some for you. Have a good day!