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Goatseye on 20 August 2014
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BMaker11 said:

I guess people have a hard time remembering that for over a decade, XBL was for nothing but multiplayer, and was the only one that did it. And then, when the Xbox interface expanded to include apps and such....those apps were put behind the paywall of XBL. Apps that you only need an internet connection for, not a subscription to a gaming service.

It's hard to remember that only recently did you get "anything in return" in the form of Games with Gold, discounts on XBL Gold, and apps/internet browser not locked behind a paywall.

But what thismeintiel said was true: the Xbox fanbase excused the former for 10+ years. Excused multiplayer. Excused apps (like Netflix, which you already pay for) behind a paywall. Etc. Because "most people who get an Xbox get Live anyway" 

Just because you guys are finally getting some value out of your subscription doesn't mean you got it before and that you aren't "the same people who excused MS making them pay for online without giving anything in return". That post was talking about the past (the recent past included, mind you), not right now. I mean "of course the same people" kinda implies him referring to posts made in the past, right?

You pay for a service. You're not paying for charity or depositing your money in the bank and expect interest to amount.

I got ESPN app on Xbox for years, where I could watch EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Portuguese League, Ligue 1 and MLS for "free". Plus, MLB, NFL, NBA,etc...

A sports pack on Comcast costs $4.95 month, that's around 60 dollars a year. Meanwhile I can get all of those games on HD, plus a superb online match connection for $32 on Amazon, Newegg and eBay.