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Nintentacle on 15 August 2014
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Soriku said:
Nintentacle said:

1. It still does not prove that there wasn't a point in time where there wasn't one language, unless you can find any document of sorts.

2. It isn't the issue of faith. It's just that you don't believe in it, so you say those people have mental disorders. That doesn't provide any evidence on your side, it just reinstates your opinion.

3. You can still, technically, do ev il in Heaven, but anyone that would do evil (I.E.: Someone who isn't saved) isn't allowed in Heaven in the first place. And, like I said before, you can't be tempted in Heaven. So, basically, the wicked people that would do evil, despite not having the tempation (Along with people who still live in their sin/haven't been forgiven for their sins at the time of their death as well) won't be in Heaven.

If you didn't understand that, what I mean is that you misunderstood the context behind "Not letting them do evil means they don't have free will." because I worded it wrong. What I meant was "It is technically possible to do evil anywhere, but there is no evil in Heaven because no one there would do evil.".


1. Wikipedia has a lot to say on this, but there's no consensus on the origin on langauge. That said, the Tower of Babel story is about the diversification of languages, but as you can see from the charts I posted, all languages didn't form spontaneuously. You can see that Germanic alone was different depending on if you lived in the East, North, or West. It's not as if these Germanic languages all formed at once at the same place and event; but they had the same origin.

2. First you say it isn't an issue of faith, and then say it's just you don't believe in it. Well then it is an issue of faith. Again, you can probably claim similar things in any religion where people there will also claim revelations. I mean they have to be getting something out of their religion. It's not as if there's documentation that Christianity provides more results than any other religion. Don't you find that curious? Except most religions are incompatible, so what do you think is the likely explanation? It's likely all in their heads. Even assuming that some people don't really have disorders, when people really want to believe something, they're going to have episodes of confirmation bias where something they believe is a message actually isn't.

3. I'd argue even the most good people are able to do something that maybe isn't so good from time to time. It's just human. And when you're living for an eternity, how likely is it that you'll never do anything morally gray or black at some point? Or anyone else, considering how many people are supposed to be in heaven? It's not going to be that smooth unless god makes it impossible to do certain actions, but that involves interfering with free will. Anyway it's a nice fantasy but nothing more.

1. Still, assuming there is a God, that doesn't mean he could do that, and that there wasn't ever one langauge. Couldn't I say that when God changed everyone's language, everyone went their way and each of their bloodlines had different languages, and in those bloodlines, people's dialects created new langauges, which would make both of our answers correct?

2. Then, wouldn't there also be a bias in not believing the "signs" as well? For example, if a Christian person looked at a few clouds that spellped "Jesus", they are going to say it is a sign God is real. If an Atheist looked at the same thing, they would call it a coincedence. Who is bias in that case? The Christian, because they saw the "Jesus" is so clear that there is no way it couldn't be God, or an Atheist because they say there is a very, very, very, small possibility of that happening? The Christian would say the Atheist is wrong, and the Atheist would say the same about the Christian. And, seeing as no one usually spots their bias against something, it wouldn't make sense for me to call an Atheist bias, and vise versa.

3. Like I said, there is no possibility of sinning in Heaven, but the people there would have not chosen to sin in Heaven in the first place. So, therefore, it wouldn't matter whether or not they had the choice or not. As for you saying it means they don't have free will, they wanted to make it so they can't sin, and they got what they wanted. Theoretically, I'd be possible to ask God that you pay for you sins instead of Jesus, and let yourself go to Hell.