The Religious Argument Thread!

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Soriku said:

VXIII said:

Soriku said:

There are no good external references pointing to the fact that the Bible or any other religious scripture is true. It's all taken on faith, which I don't agree with, so that's why I don't like it. Not that it should matter to you whether I do or not though.

Atheists at least have a strong basis for refuting religious beliefs. Faith just can't do that with atheist arguments. So that's why I have no issue with atheists refuting religious beliefs (you don't have to be insulting to make a case against religion either). It's what makes sense to me.

It sure took you a lot of faith to make such a claim, also in your previous post you referred to evolution as a proof to debunk some religious beliefs.. While Evolution itself is described as a theory by science. It is good to review our believes from time to time, just be sure to make yourself a subject to it too. Be aware not to become exactly like the people that you are describing :)

 

Other than that I'm not interested in this kind of arguments, I had enough of them :)

Why exactly would it take a lot of faith to make my claim? Next, are you going to tell me that it takes a lot of faith to not believe in Santa Claus?

Also, are you really trying to purport the tired old "evolution is just a theory" nonsense (and gravity is "just a theory" too huh?)? I encourage you religious people to look up the definition of a scientific theory, and try to understand the difference between it and a hypothesis, so you don't look like fools. Please.

"A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses. A scientific theory is differentiated from a hypothesis in that a theory must explain actual observations."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

I already understand the theistic position and arguments. Time and time again you'll find any argument goes back to circular logic and the scriptures are true because the scriptures say so. It's a weak argument and all you really have. At least science has substantial evidence. Give me substantial and widely accepted evidence that a particular religion or god(s) is real, and then I'll believe it. Till then...

First, you have no idea if I'm one of the " you religious people" or not. You got aggressive for no reason.

Second, we don't need Wikipedia to know what a theory is, it does contain explanations to some events that are observed in the nature. It is, however, can not be used as proof in any reasonable discussion because it is not a rule or law, it doesn't explain everything, like how everything started for instance. Your use of it as proof reveal much of your faith. Sure you can copy paste a definition from Wikipedia, doesn't make you know what it means ( not saying that you don't) 

Third, you claim that there are no good external references that support ANY religious scripture. If I understand you correctly, you mean historical frames of the scriptures? There is a historical sources that contain every detail, when each verse was first spoken, why and who was meant by it, even where. If you are interested in that subject (which I doubt you are) you can do more reseach on the Islamic history and the known Interpretation books of the Quran.

In my humble opinion you make claims that are much, much bigger than your knowledge and age ( or mine). I only came here to give an advice, I have no idea how I ended up as one of the "fool religious people"...

And yes, the arguments are the same, the aggressive tones are the same.. Almost always unfruitful. Change comes from inside, that way I'm not interested anymore.