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You know what I am done, I am not the one that completely missed the point here. All I did was point out two of your examples and explained that they were popular before live.... YOU said when you gave the examples that the games listed were not popular until they hit Live (go up and read it again, I have done it too many times). MS was great with Indies last gen, and as I also mentioned they are not doing so well this gen and that kinda when with the original point made by Skeetys. You then resorted to childish attacks...Sorry sir, but comprehension is not an issue I am having but something you seem to be wrestling with at the moment. Good day.