| osed125 said: Your posts is a history lesson, there are a few things I'm not sure if they are correct or not, but I sadly don't have the time to make research. In any case, history lessons aren't really meaningful if you want to talk about the current conflict, you know about the origins of the conflict and why it has been like that for almost 60 years, but it doesn't talk about the things that are happening as we speak about Hamas and the IDF. And if you want 100% factual arguments, then there's no point in making this thread in the first place....the only way would be waiting a few years when this current conflict is well documented and researched. By the way: "Following the alleged kidnapping of three Israelis teenagers that has now been declared to have nothing to do with the Hamas" where did you find this info? who made that official statement? |
I'm not here to give an opinion, I'm not interested in opinions in a such a grave conflict, but a recall of the History (that you can verify).
Because of the complete warp, tension and counter-information/information there is around this topic, a discussion would delve into sensitive politics that most people don't master, not in knowledge, not in the logical or law based reasonning, although based on facts, international law and diplomacy we can make the same conclusion than most people: Israel is a legitimate democracy, with a criminal government that has and is violating international and human laws, of which the list of crimes and murders is being documented and growing, but which has its (purely) political, economical and imperial reasons that goes further than Israel own interests, and which lots of Israelis disagree with and lots of other agree with.
As for the three kidnapped teens: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bkUO6e4LMe4J:nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-israeli-teens-after-all.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/israel-gaza-kidnap-false-inaccurate/
This article based on the declaration of Israel Police foreign press relation person to both a reported of the BBC and of Buzzfeed was reported on RT, BBC, Jerusalem Post, NyMag, Haaretz etc...and has been removed with no correction or update from all these medias...
That's why it's possible to recount History to have a perspective, but not launch a political discussion in a middle of an information war. People are free or their sources, beliefs and opinions, if they want the truth they'll find it, if they want to believe any of the medias or usual popular opinion on both side, they will.
