Did life come about chance or by God?

[kitler53]

Soriku said:

kitler53 said:
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no matter what you believe you can always ask the question "well where did that come from?".  at some point you have to come to the conclusion that some fundamental/elementry set of something has just always existed without a creator.

so if "god" can just always exist and not need a creator then why is it so hard to suppose that the matter and energy that make up our universe just always existed without a creator?

Furthermore, from a creation standpoint you could argue if God created himself or was always there, it wouldn't be a stretch to say that other Gods created themselves and were already there. There's no reason why there only had to be one first cause, besides Christianity and other monotheistic religions asserting that there is only "One True God".

The idea of matter and energy already exisitng is probably too hard to understand for religious people because they require that something sentient had to be the creator. This shouldn't preclude the creator itself, but critical thinking doesn't work well with faith so "God was already there" just suffices. But at the same time, there's no reason any particular god (or gods) is the right one, considering there's no proof of anything outside of your holy text(s) of choice, which you most likely choose because that's what you were raised with or are more familiar with otherwise. IMO, the more attributes you add to a god, the less likely it seems to be.

i dunno,. perhaps it is just because my atheism is grounded in science but this seems awefully dismissive to me.   in the dogma of christianity there are plenty of contradictions that can certainly used to show flaws and errors in our daily worldly interpritations of the bible.  but that core idea of "god",. an entity that created our universe,..  there is a lack of evidence to prove but there is also a lack of evidence to disprove.   as far as the evidence goes there really isnt' anything we have at our disposal one way or the other.

i have my views on the universe but they are "beliefs" just like any other.