Scottish Independence vote - Yes or No?

[Raze]

gergroy said:

Raze said:

MikeRox said:

Oh I get what you are trying to say now. If the US hadn't become independent, there would still be slavery in the US.

Still not sure if serious tbh. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.

LOL what? That's not what Im saying at all.

Let's simplify: You buy a house with a yard from my buddy, who happens to be high up in authority. I decide I want to use a part of your yard for me to build a vacation home on, without paying you anything for it. You protest, because you want all of the property you have fair right to. I tell my buddy I'll let him use my vacation home if he lets me keep it. He sides with me, and you're stuck protesting, but no one is listening.  Sure, I'm in the wrong, but if the powers that be give in to my wishes, I get away with it.

 

so, in applying this to northern Ireland... powers that be would be the people of northern Ireland, and the protestor would be the rest of ireland?

Yes, as per the original plan set forth between Britain and Ireland for independence in the 1920s, until the protestant population of NI threw a monkeywrench into the works, which would be the catalyst of decades of violence and bloodshed committed on both sides (Republic/NRA vs. Northern Ireland). 

It's all quite ridiculous really, the whole strife, fighting over different views of THE SAME GOD. It's not like they even had different gods to fight over. Yet, to the British, as had been often quoted, the Irish were "the blacks of Europe", and would never been seen as equals.

I would think that if the British had the foresight of what would happen in the 2nd half of the 20th century, they'd have just set the whole island independent.  What Britain gained has long been spent (mined resources), there may come a time before long where those remaining counties are returned to Ireland.

Personally, I think that NI is cursed since it's departure from Ireland, as the grave of Brian Boru dwells in NI. If you're unfamiliar with Brian Boru, he was considered the last of the High Kings of Ireland, and played a major part in uniting the tribes of Ireland in about 1050 AD, give or take 50 years. His dying wish was to be buried in the land he loved, Ireland. With the breaking off of NI, he's not been.

Interesting side note - the United States was aligned with Ireland to back them in their fight for independence in the 1910s, but then WW1 came around, and Irleand went alone, which lead to the Easter Uprising in 1916, which went pretty awful, but eventually lead the way to independence talks.