| Scisca said:
Dude... 1) You are calling me confused? I was talking about the power of Wii U, you said it (the console as a whole - as that's what we were talking about) was generations ahead and now you claim you are talking just about the GPU? Talk about confused. I know what I'm talking about - can't be said about you. I'm calling you out on the bs you say and now you're trying to spin everything and call me confused? Grow up. There are raports saying it's closer to PS360 and ones that say the opposite. Nintendo still keeps the specs a secret, but what matters to me is what the games look like and so far they are closer to PS360 quality in terms of visuals. 2) I said pricecut + 1st and 3rd party games. First you move the goalposts to just 3rd party games. Then you go as far as going to just Western 3rd party games. If you do things like that you can prove anything, but you are not arguing my point. You want me to name a 3rd party game that helped move 3DS in 2011 - the year of the cut? Monster Hunter Tri, Profesor Layton, Super Street Fighter IV. Here - you were wrong. There were also other games like Lego Star Wars, Rayman 3D, etc. Year 2012 also came with some nice games - Resident Evil, Kingdom Hearts DDD. After that came Dragon Quest games and the massive MONSTER HUNTER 4. You were asking for one, I hope you're satisfied. And to remind you, MH is a franchise that can make or break a handheld - as we see with Vita. What saves a console is pricecut + games. Nintendo is slowly starting to deliver games (but is still struggling more than it should) but is totally failling to adjust the price of the product to its quality. Both parts have to come together, but if you are struggling at one with no chance of ever becoming truely competitive at it, you can still compensate with the other part of the equation. Nintendo fails to do that and what do we get? It's below XO again, getting closer and closer to PS3 again. Wii U has never been and never will be in the same boat as PS3, stop deluding yourself. PS3 didn't get every 3rd party game? No console ever has got every single 3rd party game, so what kind of an argument is that? And don't forget that the "3 year PS3 slump" you're talking about would be considered a glorious return and shockingly good sales for the Wii U. These consoles aren't even remotely close in any single way. What was a slump for PS3 seems like a pipe dream for Wii U. @remark at my knowledge of economics - ok. Here you are, spinning everything again. Seriously, GROW UP. I haven't said it's impossible for Nintendo to improve the value of Wii U. I have said something different. Let me quote myself: "it's impossible for Nintendo to improve the value to truely compete with PS4One". To truely compete with PS4One <- to make it easier for you to notice the important part that makes your whole patronising rant pathetic. Nintendo can't improve the value of Wii U to reach the value of PS4One. It's impossible for the reasons I've stated. Wii U only offers Nintendo games, which are a small part of the gaming market nowadays. Quit spinning and trying to manipulate what I say, it won't take you anywhere. 3) The thing you fail to understand is that every single PS4One multiplat counts like an exclusive title against the Wii U. Cause it's not there. You are ignoring reality when purely comparing N games vs. Sony/MS 1st party games, when in fact it's N vs. Sony/MS + 3rd party games. Will a Wii U gamer be able to play GTA 5, GTA 6, Witcher 3, Dragon Age: Inquisition, FIFA 15, Destiny, The Division... The list goes on and the answer remains the same. For a Wii U owner, there is no difference between these games and Uncharted 4 or Halo 5. They are just as exclusive for him. And just as unavailable on Wii U. Are you seriously thinking you get any kind of an argument from the sales of a bundled game (NSMBU) that has been on the market for over a year longer longer than PS4 itself? It's what, +/- 20 months vs. 8 months of sales? Do I even have to remind you about the massive drought that Wii U experienced? NSMBU had no competition for such a long time, unlike PS4 games, which already have to fight for the consumer. VGC already shows 261 PS4 games and 270 Wii U games. With a year headstart - that means a bloody lot, doesn't it? If you want to compare Wii U vs. PS4 don't compare just the exclusives, cause you're blinding yourself and moving the goalposts to a place in which nothing makes sense. Compare every single game that's on the Wii U and isn't on PS4 to every game that is on PS4 and isn't on Wii U. Now you get the proper comparison of what the difference in value between Wii U and PS4 is. And remember that many games shared between these consoles are better on PS4. Compare the upcoming games using this method. Future does look kinda bleak for Wii U, doesn't it? 4) I'm not biased. I appreciate a good product (as I did with Wii and DS) and am critical of bad or average ones. I can judge that Wii U hasn't got a chance to give me even remotely as much as PS4 can in the years to come. It's not even close, so I can't justify paying a similar price for these products. Wii U will be (cause I will buy it at one point - believe it or not) a secondary console to play Mario Kart with my gf from time to time, play Zelda, Metroid or the one or two RPG they decide to make. And that's pretty much it. Nintendo will never secure enough content to compete with PS4One. Never. So they can't charge just as much, especially if the hardware is so inferior. Wii U satisfies just a little particular niche, but fails to satisfy the main gaming need and people do take this into account. So should you and Nintendo. Also note - I do not own a PS4 and don't plan to buy it any time soon. Cause? I don't see a reason to pay the current price for what it has to offer at the moment. And I still have a massive Vita/PS3/Wii backlog. Unless N cuts the price nicely, I'm gonna get a PS4 at one point as the first next gen console. At this point they still have a chance to be the first pick (my gf really wants MK8), but have to make a move. So far "my" incorrect statements are results of you spinning or manipulating what I say. Also, even if you do make research, you clearly make it in a way that doesn't give you objective results. I know what I'm talking about, I'm not sure if you can really say the same, as you seem confused at times. |
I'll argue by the paragraph by paragraph basis.
1)
LOL. You _ARE_ confused. If you remember, YOU said the Wii U should be priced the same as the PS360 because you felt it was closer to those systems in graphical power. This is what YOU said. :D
2)
The price cut happened in July of 2011. Monster Hunter 3 - Wasn't released outside of Japan until 2013. Professor Layton: Miracle Mask wasn't released outside of Japan until the end of 2012. Super SFIV: 3DS - Was released several months before the price cut. Lego Star Wars III: Was released in March, which was before the price cut. Rayman 3D: Was released in March, before the price cut.
Point is, none of these games pushed the 3DS off the shelves. Meanwhile, games released AFTER the 3DS price cut in 2011:
Starfox 64 3D - September 2011, Tetris: Axis - September 2011, Super Mario 3D Land - November 2011, Mario Kart 7 - December 2011.
Heck, Ocarina of Time 3D was released closer to around the time of the price cut than any of the games you listed.
As for your PS3 rant... It's just you sputtering your opinions. Fact remains is that the PS3 struggled at first and then made a complete recovery. If the PS3 can do it, and the 3DS can do it, so can the Wii U. It's not impossible like you're saying it is. To say it's impossible is just being short sighted.
@Your remark on economics: All that hoove clicking has made it difficult for you to understand what I'm saying to you. To say the Wii U can never reach the value of the PS4/Xbone is your opinion. It is not a fact. Simple.
