The mobile market shows the danger of parity

[VanceIX]

Intrinsic said:

VanceIX said:

1. I should have just stopped reading at bold. The PS4 is equivalent to a 7870, a mid-tier GPU from almost two years ago. It also has AMD APU architecture, which is completely outpaced by Intel i5/i7. A 7970, a top-tier GPU from last generation, easily beats the PS4 in terms of graphical performance. If you used a 290x or 780 for comparison, you would get even more skewed results. If you don't know about PCs like the rest of us "Pc types", at least look up the facts before you post. 

2. They don't have to completely get rid of those core assets for the high-end crowd. And have you seen Watch Dogs reccomended specs? Any PC with those specs should easily play with the high level of graphics that they decided to not include. 

Also, did you miss where it was found that the game actually ran better with the old graphics installed? That means that the game would have been better, period, with the old graphics, no matter what graphics settings you used.

I enjoy having these kinda discussions with "PC types" such as yourself. Cause for some strange reason you feel that cause Ihave a preference in Consoles that I ma clueles as to what goes into a PC. All this would be even funnier if you had any idea what i did for a living. Makes it all the nicer when I show just how clueless you are... well that or you are aware of all this and just biased, which kinda is even worse.

First though, lets talk about power and performance, Please... keep an open mind. Don't wanna have to repeat any/all of this again. In the below grapgh you will see the PS4 GPU and the closest comparable Volcanic Islands GPU (the current generation R series AMD GPUs)

	PS4	AMD R9 270 (released nov 2013) $179
PIXEL SHADERS	1152	1280 (+10%)
VERTEX SHADERS	72	80 (+10%)
TMU (texture mapping units)	32	32
CLOCK	800Mhz	900Mhz (+12%)
MEM. BANDWIDTH	176	179 (+6%)
PERFORMANCE	1843 GFlops	2304 GFlops (+20%)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The R9 series are using the exact same GCN architecture that the PS4 is using, that is why the vertex shaders and TMUs per GCN core all match. And while thereis not doubt that the closest AMD R series GPU to the PS4 is pushing better numbers across the board when directly compared to what you have in the PS4, that isn't taking into account that teh PS4 is a console and consoles are known to push way above their weight class for easons that I am going to assume you already know so I wont have to get into here. So how's that PS4 has a GPU from 2 years ago BS that you wee saying. And I didnt even add the compute capaable cores to this table, if I had done that you would find that the PS4s GPU has more compute capable cores than the R9 270. Yes you can always get more powerful GPUs for your PC, they will just cost more. And we are talking about just GPUs here and not the rest of your PC.

Your CPU argument is irrelevant, especially if you have a basic understanding of how games use a CPU. and how a CPU is used in a console compared to a PC. I will just give you a small hint, when running a game on consoles, 6 of the 8 available cpu cores are used exclusively to run the game. There is nothing on that system that is competing for CPU resoruces in a console. But its really good seeing how much of PCs you seem to know. 

Wow, did you seriously compare AMD's worst GPU in the R9 series to the PS4's GPU?

The PS4 gets absolutely destroyed by both the 280x and the 290x (the 280x could be had for $299 btw, very much affordable for many people).

And yes, PS4 has 5 dedicated cores, but I hope you realise that those 5 cores are very weak compared to the 4 cores of the i5/i7. The PS4 may be able to have more threads, but it can't perform each task nearly as well as a 3.4GHz i5 CPU, regardless of whether those cores are dedicated or not (and generally CPU usage outside of gaming is very low, so unless you have a ton of applications open you will be using your CPU power very efficiently).

I'm a console and PC gamer, I own both a PS4 and a gaming PC. Games are much cheaper on my PC, and I don't have to pay $50 a year to play online. The $1200 that my PC cost got me tons of bang for my buck, since I can use it as my PC and as a dedicated gaming device. I love my PS4 since I can get lots of amazing exclusives, but per month the PS4 costs me a lot more than my PC. 

Let's not pretend that the consoles are holding back PC potential, because they are. Games like Crisis, Witcher 2, Star Citizen, and modded Watch Dogs show the potential that PC has if devs spend just a bit more time optimising for PC better. Even games like Battlefield 3 (which was optimised splendidly for PC) look much better vs the console version.

And you know what? While all of those games are marketed towards the high-end crowd, the mid-end crowd can play them too and love them just as much. They all are very successful as well in terms of game sales. That's the beauty of PC gaming. Games can be look amazing, and tons of people can have access to them, even if they can't run them on the highest graphics.