Supreme Court justice; RBG; displays ignorance of Constitution

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-CraZed- said:

Figgycal said:

-CraZed- said:

So your religious freedoms stop at churches do they? Just because you run a business or a corporation (which does not even necessarily mean you are a big powerful evil greedy entity, ma and pop operations regularly incorporate to protect their personal assets through corporate holdings) doesn't mean you should be forced to provide for those who work for you with contraceptives or anything else for that matter other than a mutally agreed on wage and providing as safe a work environment as possible.

Corporations are made up of people just like any other organization. Why should they be treated any differently in regards to their Constitutional rights? I know, I know because money right? Yeah Gates, Buffet, Soros they have more money each than a majority of the registered corporate entities of this country and they spend tons of money on political causes.

No corporations aren't a person. They are however, people.

And the religious beliefs of its employees that want their contraceptives covered by their insurance... don't matter? This is another case of conservatives favoring fundamentalist Christian ideology and corporations over the interest of individuals. They weren't forced to give out contraceptives by hand to each employee -- it was included as part of their insurance coverage if they chose to use it, because get this: preventing women from getting pregnant is cheaper than paying for abortions and pregnancies.

And the first ammendment is not talking just about Christianity, so the fact that this was a narrow ruling only involving contraceptives is mind boggling. What about people of other faiths who have other religious objections. An orthodox Jew refusing to cover insulin for a diabetic employee because it comes from pigs, blood transfusions, vaccinations and other medical activities that certain faiths don't agree with. They don't matter either huh? It shouldn't matter right, because the religious rights of the emplyees shouldn't be trumped by the religious rights of their bosses. Except for Christian beliefs apparently -- they deserve special treatment. Because of this ruling, a corporation's religious views in fact, do trump the religious views of its employees.This decision is literally only protecting the interest of Christian business owners who look down on contraceptives and is a blatant betrayal of the first ammendment. We will see other faiths try to pull the same act in the future.

And this ruling also sets precedence that not only are corporations people, but they also now have religious beliefs and can exempt themselves from laws they have a religious objection to. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Not if someone else is paying for them no they don't. An employer not paying for something doesn't prevent an employee from accessing that thing. ANd you are right it doesn't cover just Christians. And as crazy as you think it sounds I do believe that a Jewish organization (which they no longer reject insulin as a religion and neither do Muslims due to it being a medical necessity, also there are now alternatives to porcine insulin so it should be a non issue anyways.) should be able to choose what the insurance that they provide to their employees covers.

I am also consistent with allowing non religious employers to not supply certain medical practices based on their own objections as long as they are paying for it. And BTW its not just Christian employers who object to providing abortifacient drugs. And even if i was so what? Why should they be forced to supply it? Are they not covered under the First Amendment? An employer can't force you to not take plan B, they just can't be forced to pay for it.

This is why people need to stop asking other people to provide for them. Health care should be between a person and their medical provider. Medical insurance is anything but these days. There are ways of getting these health coverage plans through like minded individuals who share the same values as you or I do besides relying on the government or an employer. The answer is to open up the coverage markets by dropping the ban on getting insurance from out of state, allow for more options by not dictating what each plan must cover, allow for people to get just catastrophic insurance (which would be very cheap) and encourage health savings plans that aren't use or lose.  Then you could get a plan that covered all the abortion pills you like. Whoch you would pay for with thearnings you made by working for one of these evil, greedy corporations.

Again, the ruling does no such thing. It reaffirms, narrowly I might add, that people have a right to practice their religion freely and that government cannot force them to provide drugs that cause abortions (seriously look at the case, Hobby Lobby was challenging abortifacient drugs) with the medical insurance plans they offer to their employees. Just because you become a business owner or a corporate executive doesn't mean you lose your religious freedom.

You are confusing corporations with people. A corporation is an entity made of hundreds, if not thousands of people, all with different beliefs. One man's belief chould not be able to affect the private lives of everyone elses' beliefs, no matter how high up they are. 

And your idea of "choice" in employment is laughable. Skilled workers needs skilled jobs. If there is only one major chemical plant in a town, can the chemists that live there choose to work somewhere else?