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padib said:
oniyide said:

we are just going to have to agree to disagree here. THe problem with your examples is the numbers just arent matching up. Metroid was NEVER that big to begin with so it makes no sense to say there is alot of overlap between that series and FF which was always pretty damn popular at least in Japan. Hell Castlevania is even less popular. The best selling one only did 1mil+ and that was on PS. Matter of fact most of those really popular games on SNES did even better on PS with the exception of a few like Street Fighter. Now that explains why PS did so well, but that doesnt explain why Wii did well when it still missed out on those games anyway. Now the casual stuff off set that which is fine. BUt i dont see how Wii U will get much better, because its still missing those games and it doesnt have the casuals to fall back on.

I do agree with what was mostly said, but i would have to say you are putting too much stock in the NES. That system itself had no competition, SNes has some. Ninty didnt really face a formitable foe till PS

I'm honestly happy chatting with you, so agree disagree is cool by me either way.

I think you might be confusing the numbers I brought up for Metroid, Castlevania, Megaman with Playstation era sales figures. The numbers I was referring to were SNES era numbers.

For example, in the SNES era, Super Metroid sold as follows and Final Fantasy IV sold as follows:

GamePlatformYearGenrePublisherNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal
Final Fantasy II SNES 1991 Role-Playing Square 0.24 0.09 1.33 0.12 1.77
Super Metroid SNES 1994 Action Nintendo 0.57 0.12 0.71 0.02 1.42
Mega Man X SNES 1993 Platform Capcom 0.57 0.08 0.50 0.01 1.16
Super Castlevania IV SNES 1991 Platform Konami Digital Entertainment 0.32 0.05 0.25 0.01 0.63

But honestly these number's don't mean much because at the same time we have:

PosGamePlatformYearGenrePublisherNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal
1 Super Mario World SNES 1990 Platform Nintendo 12.78 3.75 3.54 0.55 20.61
2 Super Mario All-Stars SNES 1993 Platform Nintendo 5.99 2.15 2.12 0.29 10.55
3 Donkey Kong Country SNES 1994 Platform Nintendo 4.36 1.71 3.00 0.23 9.30
4 Super Mario Kart SNES 1992 Racing Nintendo 3.54 1.24 3.81 0.18 8.76
17 Mario Paint SNES 1992 Misc Nintendo 1.43 0.54 0.71 0.07 2.75
22 SimCity SNES 1991 Simulation Nintendo 0.93 0.27 0.75 0.04 1.98
25 Disney's The Lion King SNES 1994 Platform Virgin Interactive 1.26 0.39 0.08 0.06 1.79
27 Disney's Aladdin SNES 1993 Platform Capcom 0.94 0.34 0.21 0.27 1.75
29 Super Scope 6 SNES 1991 Shooter Nintendo 1.06 0.38 0.15 0.05 1.65
33 Kirby Super Star SNES 1996 Platform Nintendo 0.26 0.07 1.09 0.02 1.44
45 Pilotwings SNES 1990 Simulation Nintendo 0.46 0.17 0.48 0.02 1.14

A lot of which sold similarly to the games in the above section. Really the SNES had games for both audiences (family-friendly and more teen type games), but we know that the teen type games went to be played on the playstation, while Nintendo continued to try to cater to the teen audience but wasn't able to keep the hold.

The answer to your question about the U is that, even if the casual boom is over, it doesn't mean that there isn't demand for casual games, or at least for games that appeal to children. The 3DS is weaker than the DS but it's still strong, and I think it supports that idea. So though the casual craze is over, the U could still find a DS-type success in its own way by offering games that made the DS successful.

I personally don't think Nintendo will pull it off, but MK8 is definitely a giant leap in the right direction.

But you cant really use SNES numbers as they prove nothing. Final Fantasy was exclusive. So if you wanted to play that game you HAD to get a SNES. Its that simple. And that doesnt really prove their is any overlap between those series. THe 1.77 mil people who bought FF could be COMPLETLY different people that bought Super Metroid. We have no proof either way so its not really a substantial argument. Matter of fact all those games you listed were exclusive to SNES with the exception of Aladdin which was a completly different game on Genesis anyway.

My original point was you cant say those games had overlap because if that were true. The PS wouldnt have sold SO much better. So that tells me that those games that left Nintendo systems were more important than some realize or Nintendo franchises arent as big as some people want to believe. Otherwise N64 would have at least came close to PS numbers. And N64 had plenty of Teen type games. THEy had the same types of games that PS1 had. GE, Star Wars, Perfect Dark. What happened was it was a more expensive system with less games.

DS type games wont help it, becasue Wii U isnt a DS, the games that were really popular on DS are not going to translate well onto a home console. Ninty regulars not withstanding. Hell they are not doing anything for the 3ds. People who want those types of games are going to play on their smart phones or stick to their DSs. Let me put it this way people are spending hundreds a dollars to play a home console version of Nintendogs. MK 8 is just par for the course.