The Football Thread - 17/18 Season

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Barozi said:

I just read your last response on our previous discussion, which I missed before.

I'm questioning your lawyer skills:

The standard is 8 years. That's the time it needs for anyone to have the right to be German (along with other requirements).
6 years is for (at least) B2 language skills. That's high, in fact as high as the advanced courses in grammar school for foreign languages. Only university is higher, therefore it's certainly not the standard. Also you don't have any further rights due to that. The state could give you citizenship earlier, but doesn't have to unlike the other case.

Highly suspicious if you put your subjective perception over the laws themselves.

How long does "blood" last anyway and who defines that ? 1 generation ? 2 generations ? x generations ?
I'll tell you. No one (that is able to think straight) does because it's all mixed, therefore it's not possible to determine what nationality you are and thus this method is completely irrelevant. Also do I then have to know at what point in time which relative lived in which country of the world? There has to be a location where it all started and that nationality you got there wasn't based on blood either and even if it was it's clear that we're all African by default.

@Bold - you should know by now never to do that :P

Don't forget that, as I've told you, I've participated in the process, so I know what it really looks like to apply for German citizenship. And it's pretty much a factory of citizens imo. You are basically producing new citizens on a mass scale. I guess it's because of the terrifying demographic situation and Germans not reproducing (can't really blame you considering what your women look like :P ). To me getting to B2 in German was very easy, I personally don't think that a person with a B2 level in a foreign language can say that he or she speaks a given language. Moreover you can cut it to 7 years with an even inferior level of German.

You are obviously wrong here and are trying to turn it into absurd. There was a point in time (not that long ago) when different ethnic groups appeared and later on different nations did as well. Each group has different characteristics in DNA, looks different, etc. Being Slavic I look different than you being Germanic or other people being of other ethnicy. If someone is mixed (like Klose), then he is mixed - you get the best of both worlds. If someone isn't mixed (like Trochowski or Podolski), then he isn't mixed and is of that ethnicy/nationality. Really easy. The fact that their ancestors were involutarily given German citizenship (most probably during Kulturkampf) doesn't change a thing here - a piece of paper doesn't change who you are. You think no one who is able to think straight thinks that way? Damn you Germans and your inborn antisemitism, haha ;) :P

I guess the different point of view may come from the fact that I live in a homogenous society, while you have to somehow cope with the big inflow of imigrants, so you have to ignore this obvious law of nature and adjust it to your reality. I'd never consider an Arab, a Black person or an Asian as Polish, even if he or she has a Polish passport. Such a person just "has a Polish passport", but isn't Polish to me. And this point of view is very common over here. We wouldn't accept a national football team looking like the French or German one.

And a last sidenote - I do believe you are being hypocritical here. During my time in Germany, every single time when the "Euroturks" broke something, destroyed something, started a fight, etc., all Germans I knew were all like "those Turks". They didn't go "us Germans", even though these guys were all born in Germany, speak German and probably most of them don't even speak Turkish. I am absolutely sure you are exactly the same, so think if you really live by what you preach over here, cause I'm sure that when shit hits the fan, you suddenly change your stance.